Hi Adrie, I found the stories of Cloud Atlas to be interlocking in nature. In fact it was quite a joy for me to discover old characters from some of his other novels inhabiting the book. And I shouldn't be too quick to dismiss the fifth story. The novel would not work if not for that.
I searched for the work of Harry Mulish but apparently the book you mention hasn't been translated into English as of yet. Thanks, Adrie! On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dan,...all. > > I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas yesterday,and i > have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if you > like. > It is too early for me to formulate a solid judgement about the book,but > the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality. > The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very > complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the > sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig in > further. > The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else. > > But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded > history;..... > wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers of > tomorrow. > > As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on > the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land' or > translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in > English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest > ,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces. > The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he > died. > > There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the > discussing of > Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a good > booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of > that. > > > Adrie > > > > 2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Adrie, >> >> I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in >> the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the >> purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life. >> There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be >> exceptionally intelligent to discover it. >> >> Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns >> constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For >> example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor. >> But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her, >> frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl >> who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married >> and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling >> in them the same shallow thinking. >> >> Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of >> a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee >> doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than >> those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a >> culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on >> to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class >> kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity. >> >> I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud >> Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Dan >> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hi , Dan,all.. >> > >> > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no >> decent >> > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb >> and >> > willing to be at the summit in the same framing. >> > I like the word 'framing'. >> > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job or >> in >> > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so >> determinant >> > for our existence..., >> > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the >> Wife'. >> > Distances.Oceans . >> > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments >> other >> > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me , now >> that >> > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never >> > absent. >> > >> > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities >> > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the the frame to do so. >> > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up >> > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow up >> > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified example to >> > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up rodents,youtube is >> > full of it....... >> > >> > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing you >> > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on >> > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic stroke's on >> > your keyboard >> > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed. >> > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the >> events >> > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless. >> > >> > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in the >> > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord. >> > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and thumbs >> > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying. >> > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i will >> > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to >> > Bodrum. >> > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to read. >> > >> > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway. >> > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian. >> > >> > Adrie >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> Andrew, all, >> >> >> >> If money were no object, what would you do? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do? >> >> > >> >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely connect >> >> with and venture into that quality connection. >> >> > >> >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi? That’s quality if I ever saw >> >> it. It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over the >> last >> >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression >> >> across the world. >> >> > >> >> > We need more of that. It could be anything, sushi, soccer, singing, >> >> strawberry jam. The paradox of our time is that we have so many ways to >> >> express our quality and so little quality to express. >> >> > >> >> > That needs to change. >> >> > >> >> > From: Dan Glover >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM >> >> > To: [email protected] >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality >> >> > >> >> > Hi Adrie, >> >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected] >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's >> nest in >> >> >> the >> >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people loose >> this >> >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,... >> >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for >> >> them,and >> >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to >> >> >> emerge?......, >> >> >> >> >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to stop >> >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again, as if >> >> >> everything is anew every day. >> >> >> >> >> >> Adrie >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.danglover.com >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> Archives: >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > parser >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.danglover.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
