Jon - please clarify then what are the changes you are suggesting.
All I got from your post is that we shouldn't be happy because because
are suffering. My response has consistently been - focus on the
suffering and that's what you get - suffering. Help me understand
your view - lay out your suggestions again.
Shalom
David Lind
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> In a message dated 12/13/99 10:40:50 AM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << But look at the social welfare state in America. This came about
> because noble people wanted to "ease the suffering." We now have a
> system that doesn't work, encourages dependency and children who grow
> up 'expecting' to be on welfare when they are older.
>
> The same thing happens when we solve other's problems. NOTE: I AM
> NOT SAYING WE SHOULD NEVER HELP ANOTHER PERSON - but change does come
> from within - within THAT PERSON. To impose our belief on another
> (and this is where the force of law argument came in) IS WRONG. To
> help another see a different view which may benefit them - that seems
> moral enough, but it's that attempt to force people to comply that
> messes us up. America will never olve its crime problem as long as it
> think it can legislate morality. >>
>
> David, your initial reaction to the changes I suggest is the typical
initial
> reaction, and a big part of the problem. I talk about helping people, and
> immediately you think of welfare and other such laws. I've been consistent
in
> my posts about a few things, and one of those things is that laws are not
the
> answer and should not even be *considered* as a method of solving our
> problems. I don't think it's fair or logical to compare the changes I
suggest
> to laws of the past, because they are two totally different animals. But
many
> can't seem to grasp this concept. Perhaps because it's a way of thinking
that
> hasn't ever been seriously considered before; I'm talking about a very deep
> value adjustment, a way of looking at things from a totally different
angle.
> But whenever change such as this is suggested, red flags immediately shoot
> up, such as "that would be imposing your beliefs on others!" I guess the
> cultural immune system Pirsig talks about is partially to blame for this.
>
> So many people say "follow your heart" and "do what you want." But they
don't
> want to deeply consider *why* they want to do what they do, or the goodness
> of it beyond social acceptance. Perhaps because they're scared of the
answers
> they may find.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
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