Hi Jack, Brian, David L. and Group:

Jack, I agree with your rational analysis of the Leuchter case. The problem is 
I don�t find that reasoning much help when it comes to Pirsig�s claim that 
MoQ principles can predict high quality revolutionaries from the low. 

For instance, there�s nothing in the MoQ about the importance of credentials 
as a measure of high quality at the intellectual level. (Brian also stresses 
credentials.) In fact, Pirsig rails against the �cultural immune systems� 
created by academics who can certainly boast of credentials if little else. Nor 
do I see where Pirsig uses credentials as a criteria for choosing the good-
guy revolutionary over the bad. After all, those who had credentials in 
Galileo's time threw the book at him. Credentials seem to be the mark of a 
static mindset in the MoQ, and we know that, all else being equal, static is 
not high quality.

Nor do I see in the MoQ where preponderance of physical evidence (eye-
witnesses, photographs, documents, etc.) establishes the quality of a 
revolutionary�s idea. In matters of historical record like the Holocaust, 
�empirical� evidence is well accepted in the MoQ. No argument there. But 
when it comes to the MoQ predicting, as David B. said, �the difference 
between criminals and revolutionaries,� past evidence is of little help. No one 
in the Zuni tribe could foretell that the brujo would become their hero. In fact, 
history was all against the brujo. Recall also that Pirsig has little good to say 
about the hippie revolutionaries of the 60�s with their message of peace, love 
and free sex. At the time they looked like �good guys� to a lot of people. But 
today, Pirsig writes about the not-so-good result of their �for the good of 
mankind� ideas:

�What's coming out of the urban slums, where old Victorian social moral 
codes are almost completely destroyed, isn't any new paradise the 
revolutionaries hoped for, but a reversion to rule by terror, violence and gang 
death�the old biological might-makes-right morality of prehistoric 
brigandage that primitive societies were set up to overcome.� (Lila, Chap. 24.)

I want to assure you and others that I�m not defending Leuchter, nor am I 
saying that the MoQ justifies his ideas in any way. The point of the case is 
to show the danger posed by those convinced they �see the truth� for the 
benefit of humanity. Pirsig claims the MoQ provides moral principles that can 
distinguish a Galileo fighting social repression from a criminal fighting social 
repression. The question I pose is, using the Leuchter case as a 
springboard, �What principles?�

Is David Lind right in saying we just have to wait and see? I suppose then the 
question becomes, "How long do we wait?".   

Platt




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