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clark says: Subatomic particles do not make choices. Coughlan says: This goes against the whole theory of MOQ. You are assuming the above statement. MOQ states that particles DO make choices. So does quantum mechanics. They value certain probabilities over others. Isn't that "making a choice"? Clark says,   Randomly falling into a possible niche that has been prepared previously is not making a choice. All possibilities will be tried. Some will allow further progress, others will not. Those niches that allow further progress will allow the faller to be modified and become fit for another niche. In this way Quality will drive the process toward further truths. All of this will have value and morality simply by virtue of being compatible with the process. Up until the advent of awareness and sentience there will be no choice in the chain of possibilities. Awareness and sentience will allow some modification to be made in the chain of possibilities but we must keep in mind that the structure of reality goes all the way back to the big bang.     Matt,   Coughlan says: Yep, this is a trap. Remember, in MOQ it goes like this: Quality ----> DQ    |    |    \/   SQ---->1)inorganic          2)organic          3)social          4)intellectual Clark says,   I think that your diagram supports my contention that Quality is not a product of the human mind but is the function on which the structure of the universe is hung.  If I replace some of the words we should have a better picture.        Big Bang equals Quality       |       |       |   Inorganic   Biological   Social    Intellectual   Note that this is a deterministic diagram.   Clark says,   Matt, I agree with you that free will and determinism are the same thing. They become indidstinuishable because of complexity.  Ken Clark