Dear list,
Here is a message to everybody. I read EVERYTHING. I have a hunch, so does
everybody else. If you have something worthwhile, POST IT! The quest for new
knowledge is random (DQ). This site is a bunch of NTs and NFs in a
think-tank. (For explanation of NT and NF, go to Keirsey.com)
Paul says: I should probably sit
on the sidelines and review more before jumping in but there's just not much
Quality in that for me.
Never be a benchwarmer, sir. Go nuts with the rest of us. Go to: Lila pg
370.
It was stated that dynamic reality is always changing, but one could easily
>say it is never changing...I mean it's really the biggest MU of all isn't
>it?
You got it. Mu on a Static level. Mu is DQ's way of telling SQ to sit down
and shut up.
DQ can only be
>intuited, hever intellectually grasped. It's like seeing the outside of a
>house when you're stuck inside. You can vision and have ideas of what it's
>all about, but you'll never see it.
This is Mu State and the Box theory. See my other posts this month.
Sincerely,
Matt Coughlan
P.S. I think I overran my four posts a day limit. Suck.
>From: Paul Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: MD Random patterns.
>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:03:54 -0500
>
>First of all let me say very cool site. I had no idea it was here until I
>read Persig's new forward in the new edition of ZZM. I should probably sit
>on the sidelines and review more before jumping in but there's just not
>much
>Quality in that for me.
>
>It was stated that dynamic reality is always changing, but one could easily
>say it is never changing...I mean it's really the biggest MU of all isn't
>it?
>
>As far as grasping directy DQ on an intellectual level I agree with those
>who say it can be done on a static basis. Persig himself did quite a good
>job of philosophizing about what reality was, and in my opinion, the best
>job I've seen. However, the entire idea of Quality, and it's beauty I
>might
>ad, is based on "pre-intellectual Quality." We know this because we've all
>been there. We've all meditated, or rock climbed, or hiked, or even fixed
>a
>motor-cycle when we've entered DQ. It's the most incredible feeling to
>just
>realize a oneness with everything. I would definitely call that
>experiencing raw nature or raw DQ. However, you don't realize this until
>after the moment has passed. At the top of the cliff you realize what an
>incredible climb it was, but during the climb itself you had no idea of any
>a priori concept. Time, awareness, even the sense of self are all washed
>away in the process (there's an entire book on this called Flow which I
>highly recommend if you haven't read it yet). That is DQ, such complete
>Quality involvement that everything else washes away. The mind frame of a
>craftsman...or a master....art.
>
>One may be aware of this afterword when intillectual reality is then
>grasped
>again and self comes back. But self itself is a static intellectual
>pattern. When in DQ there is simply no psychic energy left for any
>intellectual processes...it all is invovled in the direct experience of the
>moment.
>
>Therefore I have to say (as many others have I'm sure) that DQ can only be
>intuited, hever intellectually grasped. It's like seeing the outside of a
>house when you're stuck inside. You can vision and have ideas of what it's
>all about, but you'll never see it.
>
>have to get back to work now....
>
>Paul Marcus
>Bethesda, MD
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: matt coughlan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:24 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: MD Random patterns.
>
>
>This is nuts. I SO enjoy doing this philosophy stuff. Keep going all.
>
>
>Blnktmons says: The human mind applies a priori concepts to Reality that
>may
>
>or may not exist.(esp. time, space)
>
> /\
> |
>Coughlan says: What if this version of Reality is just the Inorganic Static
>Pattern? And what if a priori concepts EXIST in their own right? (Within
>the
>
>Intellectual Static Pattern)
>
>(I am currently playing with the idea of making an addition to the Four
>SQP's: Dimensional Static Quality. This one goes before Inorganic SQ. The
>new chart would read: Dimensional, Inorg., Bio., Social, Intell.)
>
>
>Blnktmon says: The goal of mystics throughout history has been to attain
>unitive knowledge
>of the divine ground (divine ground = Reality = Quality) through
>self-mutilation and destruction (sometimes, but not necessarily always in
>the
>physical sense).
>
>
>Coughlan says: What if they were actually trying to get to Mu State?
>Theory: All questions can be seen as Y, N and M questions. I theorize that
>there is something called Mu State. This is when all questions (in the
>Static Intellectual Pattern) have been reset to Mu.
>
>
>B: By doing this one could become aware and conscious of all
>which is what they perceive God as being. Buddha is a good example.
>Through
>meditation and the elimination of desires, he was able to transc
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