Hi everyone
I'm not sure if this is a private discussion and as such I should not be getting
involved, but something Dan wrote concerns me.
Dan wrote:
If we equate memes with patterns of value, then all four levels "have" memes, but the
lower level memes are separated from intellect by the social level, thus we are
unaware of them.
Does the social level really mean we are unaware of the lower levels of value?? As
law-abiding human beings (as i am sure you all are), why do we not commit crimes
against our organic values? is it because society tells us not to and our intellect
agrees (as Dan seems to be saying) or is it that the intellect allows us to perform
our own evaluations of the situations giving rise to social law? I.E. our intellect
allows us to make our own mind up about what is right and wrong and thus to challenge
the outdated laws society has flung upon us.
I believe that society does not block the path between the intellect and the inorganic
values, but rather that the intellect allows us to re-evaluate the role of society
within the framework of organic values. Only by discrediting the society value system
can we truly become a species with an intellectual value system.
As an example, take a crime against the organic value system. Serious assault. In
the organic value system assault is bad, the society value system then says assaults
are committed by people who shouldn't be allowed to assault so they should be locked
up or sent away from the rest of society. The intellect however, argues that since
all organic systems should be treated equally, and thus the criminal should be
rehabilitated, made to understand his or her crime and allowed to live with a normal
life once he or she is able to do so without hurting others. So here, the intellect
has applied itself to the organic value system to change societies wrong doers and
allow them to live decent lives.
If this system has value, then doesn't the whole business of "is a copy of experience
the same as experience?" needs a new factor introducing, that being "What is the role
of a DERIVED experience on the value system?" Analogous to this in the above example,
the people deciding the new laws based on justice for all are not the victims of the
crime so how can they be involved in the situation outlined? If you are going to talk
about experience, you should include derived experience as this is the leading factor
of the intellectual value system.
Apologies if i have duplicated past arguments, i am new to the group.
With kind regards
Richard.
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