Gerhard & all,
AreteLaugh wrote:
>>Libertarianism might be summed as 1) Property and personal ownership, 2)
>>Free interaction between consenting individuals and 3) A State that is
>>limited to assisting it's citizens assert these rights in the face of
>>aggression.
Gerhard wrote:
> I think that anachism would agree very much with 2) and 3), but probably
have problems
> with 1). I'm not sure if I see where MoQ are making you prefer 1), as I
see only as a
> biological value set.
I think you are confusing the map for the actual terrain. Economic activity
relates primarily to the intellectual patterns of values. Sometimes things
are exchanged, but what is really being exchanged is values. Information,
not things, is the most highly prized item of trade there is.
Some anarchists might agree with 3), but some anarchists could just as
easily believe that killing people who would not give do as they wished was
an acceptable form of social interaction. No Libertarians think this.
Gerhard wrote:
> I agree that many of these old comunist states must have been horrible to
live in, but I
> would not necessarily agree to blame it on the socialism. Anyway, here in
Norway we are
> "invaded" by Russian and Polish people in the summer, highly educated or
good artists,
> taking all kind of work in order to earn some money for their families to
live for.
> According to newspapers here in Norway, a university proffesor can make
more money
> picking strawberries two months in Norway than they make the rest of the
year in Poland
> (I didn't even pick strawberries when I was a student, as it was so bad
payed). I am
> rather certain that these highly educated persons and these artists are
only partly
> pleased with their new freedom.
What exactly would you blame it on? How were the conditions after the end
of the second world war (1945) different between Eastern and Western Europe?
While both sides had Socialist political parties, one side didn't have
anything but Socialist political parties! Hong Kong is a great example of
what happens when you implement Libertarian economic policies.
Gerhard wrote:
> The few people that have become very rich in Russia and Poland these
years, are in my
> opinion not at all contributing with dynamic values at any levels, and
seems to be only
> interested in a biological "show-off" to prove their
> wealth.
What an interesting thing to say! Economic activity is an expression of
intellectual value. I have a cow, you have 1000 units of currency. I value
1000 units of currency more than my cow, you value a cow more than your 1000
units of currency. We swap. If I only paid 950 for the cow the day before
then i'm better off, If now have milk for your children's breakfast then
your better off. Both parties have benefited from the transaction precisely
because they had different values (I valued money, you valued a cow).
Gerhard wrote:
> I didn't know that California was a Socialist state, and I have never been
there.
I was born there and I see it get worse almost every single day.
AreteLaugh
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