Gerhard, Marcos, and all,
Gerhard wrote:
> I think that is why we can agree based on MoQ, as I see economic activity
as a social
> pattern of values. This have been discussed in depth earlier.
In Lila Pirsig states (Chapter 13 Paragraph 27 pg 163 Bantam HC 1991);
"Second, there were moral codes that established the supremacy of the social
order the biological life-conventional morals-proscriptions against drugs,
murder, adultery, theft and the like. Third, there were moral code that
established the supremacy of the intellectual order over the social
order-democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the press."
Where would a "Freedom of Exchange" exchange fit in this paragraph? I see a
market as being very similar to the intellectual hierarchy/system of the
motorcycle discussed in ZMM. The real market isn't the trading floor but
the results of supply and demand which are driven by the intellectual values
of the individuals in the population.
Marcos wrote:
> So I think that it's immoral (for example) for market to own ideas, rather
than helping > the development of ideas.
Where do these Ideas come from Marcos? I would love to learn of a mechanism
more dynamic and just than the market system, but until that mechanism
arrives the we distrub the dynamic nature of the market at our own peril.
(Chapter 14 Paragraph 65, 66, 67 pg 221 Bantam HC 1991.)
I read the rest of Marco's posts and found his arguments somewhat bizare.
What remedy would Marco's provide to an unarmed population saddled with a
tyrannical government? Learn to like it?
Marcos wrote:
> We all know that the oil firms can make the laws there. And probably all
the blind
> supporters of this system (that is NOT the ideal free trade the MOQ talks
about) too
> easily forget that the western richness has been built also thanks to the
exploitation
> of the third world.
Sure let's absolve the Nigerian government of all responsibility to act in a
moral and ethical way. I think his post is the most condesending rascist
screed i've read all week. What Nigeria needs is good old fashioned civil
war if the government is as corrupt as Marco's implies. Social paterns that
do not take care of their physical environment will have a reduced ability
to compete. Survival of the fitess remeber? Those Nigerians owe it to
themselves to live as men in their own country.
I do agree the system currently inplace is not free trade, nor are the laws
(at least in the US) applied with anything approaching complete justice.
Gerhard wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear that. As you understand, I do not think that
libertarianism is the
> solution. I was of the opinion that the energy-crisis in California was a
good proof of
> that, but I'm not to familiar with the problem.
Your willing to accept the California energy crisis as proof of the failure
of free market system but think that the collapse of Eastern Europe isn't
proof of the failure of Socialism? Hmmm... Is that Empiricism?
(In reality the California energy market was never really a free market and
the whole process of deregulation was hamstrung from the start by the idiots
in Sacramento.)
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