Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Arlo previously] > An interesting point of agreement? Although I am tempted to ask, what > ethics are you ready to accept from the Indians? > > [Platt] > Kindness to children. > > [Arlo] > Err, I thought you keep reminding me how they "dashed their > children's brains out on rocks"? Or are you just funnin' me? (As my > dad used to say). > > [Platt] > Tell me more about decisions based on "spirit." > > [Arlo] > Intuition. Gut feelings. Or as Pirsig quoted Einstein, "... > intuition, resting on sympathetic understanding of experience". > > [Platt] > Tell me more about decisions based on "spirit." > > [Arlo] > Maybe this should be another thread? Anyway, here is a good passage > from The Guidebook to ZMM that describes this. > > "This is the idea of intuition that you can find in the writings of > Henri Bergson (1859-1941), who described intuition with phrases like > "intellectual sympathy." It is also the idea of intuition that young > Phaedrus encountered in the writings of Albert Einstein, who said > that the universal laws of the cosmos could only be reached by > "intuition, resting on sympathetic understanding of experience" > (quoted in ZMM, p. 99). That idea would be carried forward in the > narrator's reflections (undoubtedly inspired by, if not inherited > from, Phaedrus) about the relation of Quality to caring (ZMM, pp. 25, > 247). Just as for Einstein the intuition of cosmic laws is rooted in > a sympathetic understanding of experience, so for the narrator the > intuition of Quality is rooted in caring about what one is seeing and > doing. But for the narrator the flow goes both ways. Caring-which, > you might care to note, involves both willing and feeling-is > reciprocally related to Quality. The more you care in your knowing > and doing, the more you see (or intuit) Quality. The more you intuit > Quality, the more you care. "A person who sees Quality and feels it > as he works is a person who cares. A person who cares about what he > sees and does is a person who's bound to have some characteristics of > Quality" (ZMM, p. 247). > > The second frequently made and presently pertinent statement is that > intuition is holistic. When you intuit, you see wholes in their > wholeness. In contrast, when you are engaged in an analytic mode of > thought, you seek to know things by breaking them down into parts and > subparts (or, in the narrator's terms, concepts and subconcepts-ZMM, > p. 86). The rational, analytic mode of thinkking, exemplified in > ZMM's breakdown of a motorcycle (pp. 63367), belongs to the "classic" > mentality, whereas the holistic, intuitive mode belongs to the > "romantic" mentality. In terms of ZMM's landscape analogy (pp. > 69-70), rational analysis is what you are doing when you are sorting > the handful of sand into varrious piles on the basis of various > criteria; intuition is what you are exercising when you grasp the > entire handful of sand as a whole. As the analogy suggests, one and > the same object can furnish the material for both rational analysis > and intuition. While intuition might have its own proper objects > (e.g., as some intuitionists sugggest, value), it might also share > objects with other modes of thought. You can analyze the motorcycle > in terms of its parts and functions; additionally or alternatively, > you can intuitively grasp the cycle as the "right thing" for you, a > vehicle that suits your style. In the latter case, your intuition is > still a nonsensory act of knowing, even though the motorcycle is a > sensory object-the cycle doesn't carry a visible label that says > "right thing." (Guidebook to ZMM, pp 172-173) > > [Platt] > Haven't you said all language is metaphor? What then is the relation > of language to pre-language (pre-intellectual)experience (perception). > > [Arlo] > All language is metaphor. However, "laws" are "literal", meaning that > we pragmatically accept a shared understanding of what a "law" says. > But, even given this, lawyers debate endless on what any given "law means", > no? > > [Platt] > Your introduction above and here of "spirit" leaves me wondering. > What is spirit, where did it come from, who created it, and how can I get > some? > > [Arlo] > Try joining a drumming circle. :-) > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >
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