Hi Heather SA 26 Jan. wrote:
> Still don't know where this S/O divide is called > intellect. This is your analysis. For goodness sake look in ZMM on the diagram page wherever that may be in your edition! If you have that book? > Static quality is just dynamic quality defined. > Dynamic quality is the source of all things. Rock was > sourced from dynamic quality. What is dynamic > quality? I don't know, but this very real rock is a > rock analogy of dq You refuse to understand the ocean/wave - um - analogy. MOQ's fundamental split is the dynamic/static one. It's no use repeating that static inorganic patterns (rocks) only are DQ defined ... the source of all things etc. What is static is NOT dynamic! > Not quite sure what all this language and in the > human mind talk is about. Phew, it was you who introduced it > > Only human beings can chat about ultimate reality on this planet, > > as far as I know. "Human beings". Doesn't that spell "mind" and/or "language"? > As Quality is the mother of > them all. I agree most profoundly with this, but then you introduced "human beings", presumably as if the human mind and/or its language overrides Quality, as if Quality is a mind/language pattern. This is exactly where Pirsig sins by - first - defining intellect as mind and then the MOQ as an intellectual pattern. After the Paul Turner letter he re-defined intellect as "symbol manipulation" (language) and then the MOQ became a language pattern. The MOQ will never work until we return to Phaedrus' insight that intellect=SOM. But this seems to be anathema. Now that I'm back the defender of orthodoxy - DMB - has retreated in hurt silence. And Laird who raised the SOL issue (and fooled me into believing that he had seen something) disappeared without a trace. Ok, this is not your "fault" ;-) > Sure, that's what I said above. A rock > defines and is a static pattern of this fundamental > reality. Again, the DQ/SQ is MOQ's fundamental divide. A rock - the universe itself - is the first static "fallout". I don't see the purpose of repeating the obvious that this "wave" really is "ocean". That goes without saying. Bo As to re-inventing the wheel, sure a rock is > old, ancient and a quality well worth talking about, > thinking about, and just touching. Simple rock is > full of patterns that have a natural history, staticly > coming together. an expression, a beauty we humans may > say of this wonderful earth with sky. > > > thanks. > > > winter snow is quiet, > SA > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the > Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
