[Case]
> Ok, I am not sure how New Age shamanism applies to
> what I said.
This wasn't New Age shamanism. This teaching of
medicine wheels has a deep history, before the
Europeans came, on this continent. The teacher I
mentioned says it goes back into Central America, then
spread into the present U.S. southwest, and then into
the Plains tribes and others, way before the Europeans
came. Other tribes know about these Medicine Wheels
and use them. The Medicine Wheel is a tool used to
point out 'things' about the universe and ones' self.
[Case]
> I was talking about the tribe that shared peyote
> illumination with Pirsig and
> comments Pirsig used to guide his thinking.
> Dussenberry's Ph.D dissertation
> is explicitly about the religious practices of these
> people.
ok
[Case]
> I do not believe adolescents of tribes past carried
> medicine wheels to speed
> or enhance their visions.
Yes, they may not have carried them, physically,
but these were teachings for ones whole life. The
stories contain explicit use for preparation of vision
quests. To remember to not fear and how to see passed
anger. Seven arrows, the first book, talks about the
medicine wheels use for teaching adolescents for
vision quests. The medicine wheel is like Buddhism in
one sense. It did not disrupt the culture that
inherited its' teachings. It only enhanced their
beliefs and added a new dimension of self-discovery.
This is actually why I brought it up. It does not
advocate a specific god.
[Case]
> I don't believe Mandelbaum or Dussenberry refer to
> the medicine wheel.
> Frankly the whole idea of the wheel seems a modern
> attempt of capitalize on
> New Age interest in mandalas.
Nop, this is ancient. It even passed through the
Mayan culture in its hey-day. Out-West medicine
wheels made of rock outlines are present, and the
first pioneers out west had no idea what they were. I
don't believe they came into Eastern North America for
some reason, but I know some of the teachers hid out
in Canada during the Amerindian assimilation into U.S.
cultural ideals. I've read about these teachings in
separate books as well. Black Elk mentions them, I
believe. Gotta go to work...
thanks.
dark morning,
SA
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