SA, Whatever floats your boat.
Case -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Perella Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] The Manito, You and the MoQ [Case] > Ok, I am not sure how New Age shamanism applies to > what I said. This wasn't New Age shamanism. This teaching of medicine wheels has a deep history, before the Europeans came, on this continent. The teacher I mentioned says it goes back into Central America, then spread into the present U.S. southwest, and then into the Plains tribes and others, way before the Europeans came. Other tribes know about these Medicine Wheels and use them. The Medicine Wheel is a tool used to point out 'things' about the universe and ones' self. [Case] > I was talking about the tribe that shared peyote > illumination with Pirsig and > comments Pirsig used to guide his thinking. > Dussenberry's Ph.D dissertation > is explicitly about the religious practices of these > people. ok [Case] > I do not believe adolescents of tribes past carried > medicine wheels to speed > or enhance their visions. Yes, they may not have carried them, physically, but these were teachings for ones whole life. The stories contain explicit use for preparation of vision quests. To remember to not fear and how to see passed anger. Seven arrows, the first book, talks about the medicine wheels use for teaching adolescents for vision quests. The medicine wheel is like Buddhism in one sense. It did not disrupt the culture that inherited its' teachings. It only enhanced their beliefs and added a new dimension of self-discovery. This is actually why I brought it up. It does not advocate a specific god. [Case] > I don't believe Mandelbaum or Dussenberry refer to > the medicine wheel. > Frankly the whole idea of the wheel seems a modern > attempt of capitalize on > New Age interest in mandalas. Nop, this is ancient. It even passed through the Mayan culture in its hey-day. Out-West medicine wheels made of rock outlines are present, and the first pioneers out west had no idea what they were. I don't believe they came into Eastern North America for some reason, but I know some of the teachers hid out in Canada during the Amerindian assimilation into U.S. cultural ideals. I've read about these teachings in separate books as well. Black Elk mentions them, I believe. Gotta go to work... thanks. dark morning, SA ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
