[Ham]to Micah] For example, on 10/10 you stated (again to Ian) that "...nothing can be >shown to exist independent of humans. Man is the measure of all things." >On the same day you said to Arlo: >> People have died, and reality still exists. But when the last human >> dies, reality cannot be shown to exist.
[Micah]to Platt} So now let me understand, you say "it is true that the inference of independent existence cannot be demonstrated", so you agree that nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans? Meaning the statement is fact regardless of your faith? Isn't that objectivity? On what day, of your everyday experience, have you experienced reality to exist independent of humans? Everyday I wake up, my right ankle hurts for an instant, I believe it is a angel pinching me for good luck - should I doubt that philosophically, after all it's what I believe and you have stated I shouldn't doubt my beliefs. You have too much clutter, and that clutter is your faith. And you won't let go...so there you are. [x], It would seem that Micah is the measure of all things, if reality independent of humans can not be proven, Reality outside of Micah can not be proven either and if he believes this, he IS the measure of his universe. [Micah] Complete misinterpretation of what I said, it's bad enough when I put my foot in my mouth - it's worse when you put your foot in my mouth. [x] Well, I got the idea you were making a case for objectivism to support "humans gain objective knowledge from perception by Measurement". But you seemed to overlook the fact that "Objectivism holds that there is a mind-independent reality". Other than that I'm not sure where you were going with Rand. you are well known for your stance On the idea, "man is the measure of all things" and " nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans", it has become your mantra. You stated it was objective "fact". If this is not the case and I am Misinterpreting your argument then I sincerely would like to understand. I did'nt put my foot in your mouth so much as I pointed to the tree where you appearantly hung yourself. No matter how you spin it, you can not make a stand on " nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans". It just doesent seem to work . moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
