>From: Kevin Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MD] dualism >Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:04:45 -0800 (PST) > > > [Dan] > > The oneness is found by simply expanding one's point of view. > > > > >[Kevin] > > >And if oneness is not an illusion then how is it realized? > > > > [Dan] > > By seeing past the illusion. > >[Kevin] >Yes. Oneness, non-dualistic thinking and behaving, inner awakening and >expanded awareness are all realized when we see past the illusion. > >But I don't believe concepts have the power to expand awareness, not >directly >anyway. They can position us at the threshhold and help us how to ask the >questions. But concepts are no substitute for experience. You experience >awareness, oneness and non-dualistic thinking or you don't. These insights >and >realizations are are not transferable, i.e., God has no grandchildren.
[Dan] I suppose an imaginary God can only have imaginary grandchildren. Isn't that why Robert Pirsig states that intellect only takes one farther away from reality and not closer? > > > >[Kevin] > > >I believe that true life is realized when things that seem to be >separate > > >and dualistic are held together, not balanced. And that this is >difficult. > > >Is this what Buddhist's mean when they say "life is suffering?" > > > > [Dan] > > Robert Pirsig recommends Steve Hagen's book "Buddhism Plain and Simple" > > and I do too. Hagen likens suffering to a wheel being out of balance so >I think > > you are correct in saying that suffering occurs when we separate the >self > > from all else. > >[Kevin] >We all suffer. But no one should have to suffer alone. I believe >compassion, >oneness and non-dualistic thinking and behaving all go hand in hand. [Dan] I agree. > > > [Dan] > > I've heard Rohr's name but I know far too little of his work to comment. > > Whether these are the only paths, I don't know. From what I understand, >the > > Buddha tried both paths yet only came to his realization after he'd >given up > > and simply sat silent. But again, I am not a Buddhist and there may be > > others here who can give you a better answer. > >[Kevin] >I would recommend starting with "Everything Belongs" (ISBN 0824519957). [Dan] I'll check it out. Thank you. Dan moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
