Quoting Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Case] > Odd I thought sensitivity training was conducted mainly in the corporate > workplace by the same captains of industry who implement wholesale > eavesdropping, video surveillance, random drug testing and warrantless > searches. While I share your concern about totalitarianism I think you fail > to recognize that it is not limited in the forms it can take.
I know you liberals fail to discern much difference between corporations and governments. The former cannot force people into gulags at the point of gun. Governments can and do. Big difference in my book. > > [Case] > > I do not think statistics in scientific journals can be manipulated in > > this way. And of such manipulation survives peer review there are plenty > > of journal readers to correct the problems. > > [Platt] > Except in the case of global warming, those who attempt to do so are > vilified, like being compared to holocaust deniers. > > [Case] > So academic integrity is secure except in the areas you do not agree with? Hardly. > > [Case] > > Platt would put "some-guy's-blog" on an equal footing with Science and > > Nature. > > [Platt] > An accusation without evidence. Also note how Case capitalizes Science and > Nature as if they are God. Not surprising since that's how the acolytes of > science think of it. > > [Case] > I capitalized Science and Nature because they are the names of the two most > widely read and respected scientific journals in the world. I suppose I > could have put quotes around them but I doubt if that would have helped. In > any event I think you just made my point for me. Are you suggesting that those are the only sources we should cite as credible? > [Platt] > Wild distortion. What we shouldn't do is put the scientific community on a > sacrosanct pedestal to be worshiped as the dispenser of all Truth. God knows > that "community" has been complicit in fostering errors including promoting > eugenics, banning DDT and predicting global cooling. > > [Case] > I was unaware that anyone had created a venue for scientific worship. How about those meetings you referred to in the post about brain scans?. > You keep saying the science promoted > eugenics. When? Where? Science may rightly say that the human species could > be improved with selective breeding and it could but there is no way to > enforce such a breeding program. The science is indisputable the politics > and morality make it impractical. You can read the history in Wikipedia as well as I can. > The banning of DDT has had huge benefits > in the rebounding of declining raptor populations and is a fine example of > using scientific data to implement values and morality. The banning of DDT in 1971 resulted in the death of tens of millions of people in the developing world, most of them children, from insect-borne diseases such as malaria. > Your continued > reference to global cooling and today's temperature in reference to climate > change highlights the shallowness of your understanding of the issues. Sez you. Are you now The Source? > > [Case] > > We are dealing here with people who think that the extinction of a species > is no big deal; especially if we can save thirty cents a month on our power > bill. It doesn't really matter if the ice caps melt because it could be good > for the real estate market. It's ok if we pollute the air and water because > our descendants will be clever enough to figure out something else to drink > and breathe. > > [Platt] > Fear mongering at its best . . . the precursor of bigger government and loss > of liberty. > > [Case] > Presenting facts is presenting facts if the facts inspire fear perhaps that > is inherent in the facts rather than the presentation. Exactly. The question is: facts or fictions? > How you can claim to > be a devotee of Quality and beauty and not recognize the utter tragedy of a > single species becoming extinct is beyond me. Not long ago you gave an, oh > well, so what, to the demise of the passenger pigeon which was willfully > hunted to extinction. Utter tragedy of extinctions? I cry every night over the loss of the smallpox virus. > By the way corporations are a much greater threat to individual liberty than > government ever thought of being. They are also the ones most responsible > for fouling our collective nest. I know. Corporations were responsible for the holocaust. And of course, fallout from state owned nuclear power plants is nothing to be concerned about. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
