Hello Platt, In a response to Arlo you cited Roger Penrose's work "The Emperor's New Mind" and wrote, > I submit that the "insights from outside the system" are valuations -- the > sense of "that's a good truth." As Penrose states, "When we convince > ourselves of the validity of Godel's Theorem, we not only 'see' it, but by > so doing we reveal the very non-algorithmic nature of the 'seeing' process > itself." We are sympatico. :) > This "seeing" process " is Pirsig's direct experience/valuation process, > the heart of the MOQ. You appear to be subordinating the "seeing process" to the MOQ. This kills it, imo. Better to say the MOQ points to the "seeing process," again, imo. > The more I think about it, the more I become convinced that the MOQ > provides a bridge over paradoxes, recursions, self-contradictions and > loops because it rises above and looks down at intellectual level. But, I > could be wrong. I can understand how one would see it this way if one sees the MOQ as something that embodies the "seeing process." Backwards, imo.
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