Hi Platt I lag behind in my response, but I refuse to have more than one MD session a day so forgive me if there are empty spaces in our dialogue. This however requires immediate reaction.
On 1 Mar. you quoted yours sincerely: > > The point is that the said ancient peoplee did not say "Now I'll > > make up an abstract theory". The arrival of that attitude IS the > > very intellectual level. When will this dawn on you and everybody > > else? And went on: > Yes, the intellectual level arrived when people started to think about > thinking, opening the gate to infinite regress and other limitations. We have agreed on and off for a long time, but this looks like a breakthrough. A little comment. "Thinking about thinking" may not have been the first intellectual sign - to me the description in ZMM tells about its long journey from the early Greek philosophers (500 BC) to the breakthrough with Aristotles. But still very much "in the service" of the social level (Aristotles becoming a Church authority) till the European Enlightenment when the subject/ object "knife" turned on itself. The empiricists (Locke, Berkeley and Hume) asked how the subject got its information from the alleged objective world and ended doubting the connection - even doubting if there were such a world - and finally Kant who cemented the S/O incompatibility (ah this takes too long) Anyway, because Pirsig in ZMM refers a lot to these philosophers - and their approach to the problem - I take these intellectual patterns to be (some) of the stepping stone to the Quality "level". > Now the MOQ level has arrived and people can think about intellect as > a static value pure and simple, thus bypassing paradox, recursions, > strange loops and infinite regress -- the tipping points where > intellect hits the wall and reveals its not the preeminent value it > thinks it is. EXACTLY! IMO Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
