[Marsha] In our discussion, I do not remember you limiting the use of 'betterness' to the two subjective levels (Social and Intellectual).
[Arlo] Because I don't. Where do you see me saying or implying this? At 12:12 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote: >At 12:04 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote: > >[Marsha] > >What about your use of 'betterness'? It's a word you've used as an > >equivalent of 'value'. Doesn't this 'betterness' imply a comparative > >(subjective) value? > > > >[Arlo] > >Again, this comparative state is experienced within the confines of > >the level in question. In the moment of direct experience, an amoeba > >experiences value (in the case of the acid, this is experience as a > >low-quality state). In that moment, I suppose you could say the > >amoeba becomes the "subject" and the low-quality environment the > >"object", but again this is not to suggest the "subjectiveness" of > >the amoeba is anything like the complex "subjectiveness" we > >conceptualize on the social and intellectual levels. In fact, I'd > >say the amoeba never experiences "subject/object". Having no symbolic > >representation of "self" or "other", the amoeba is "trapped" in > >primary, direct experience limited not only to inorganic-biological > >value, but to pretty unsophisticated biological value as well (a > >"wolf", for example, experiences a much more complex range of > >biological value). > >Arlo, > >In our discussion, I do not remember you limiting the use of >'betterness' to the two subjective levels (Social and Intellectual). > >m > > > > > >moq_discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
