Jos, Sounds a lot like Pirsigs dynamic quality, undefineable, open to infinate possiblities until Subject interacts with object and becomes static. -ron
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laycock, Jos (OSPT) Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness Me too, I'm just postulating a much larger version of the schoedingers cat thought experiment, but since macro/micro distinctions are purely in the eye of the beholder this seems a not unreasonable leap. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Kulp > Sent: 27 March 2007 13:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness > > > Jos, > It most certainly might be, but I have trouble believing the collapsed > wave into particle Apon perception idea. > I feel the Heisenburg theory of uncertainy means when you observe > phenomena at that level, that any device you use to measure it works > on energy emission plus your presence alters it too The shear > gravitational mass of your body effects it also. > Plus you have > spacial warping at > An atomic scale...so Heisenberg stated that we can never really know > how particles work Naturally because once they are in proximity to any > sort of gravitational mass they are Influenced by that mass. So it may > not be our perception that collapses it into a particle > >From a wave. Blind people still experience the same > phenomena but do not > percieve it in the same > Fashion, does it mean it is a wave until they experience it? > is heat on > their face from light > Transferred by wave or particle? Also does photosynthesis happen as a > result of partcle interaction Or wave interaction....things start to > get dicy when you jump to all" > matter is a wave until percieved." > I need alittle more convincing on that one. > -ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laycock, Jos > (OSPT) > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness > > Hi Case, Ron > > Since we cant see any outer universal limits owing to prohibitive > distances and speeds, it would seem that from a quantum effects point > of view, its outer parts must continue to have wave form only ?? > Thus there is no "true" answer to the below question until it is > observed. Possibly the universe is both infinite and discreet at the > same time?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Kulp > > Sent: 23 March 2007 15:58 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness > > > > > > Case, > > You are allowed to concede that I have a legitimate point here. > > I'm not looking for who's right or who's wrong. Just that I have A > > valid argument. An argument every bit as valid as the big bang. > > Perhaps even more. If you can bring greater evidence to the > table To > > support the big bang theory I welcome it because as > impossible as it > > seems I can't seem to come Up with a reason as to why > infinate reality > > > is'nt the case. > > Trust me man, I want you to prove me wrong. 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