Jos, Statement is not flawed. We define "right" and "wrong". Individuals can be "right" or "wrong", but humans can't be "wrong", that would imply an alternate reality. We have only one reality.
Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, Jos (OSPT) Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) This bit Micah, maybe I misread you, but it seems to say that humans define reality, which rather implies that humans are "right" when they do so(whatever that means). So if "humans" say something thats wrong they still seem to be right. Or the statement is flawed. Intelligence is what we say it is, nothing else defines reality, only humans. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micah > Sent: 24 January 2007 13:58 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > > > Jos, > > Please elaborate on the paradox for me. I can't know. > > Micah > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, > Jos (OSPT) > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > > > Absoultely, it's a paradox implied by your post, made > explicit by mine. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micah > > Sent: 24 January 2007 06:20 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > > > > > > Jos, > > > > We place quality on objects through anthropomorphizing > > (spelling?), objects > > just are - how and what they are is within us, not without > > us. We are the > > subject. > > > > Isn't saying "humans can't know" a form of knowing, and therefore > > contradictory? > > > > Micah > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, > > Jos (OSPT) > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:49 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > > > > > > Hi Platt, Micah, > > > > > Quoting Micah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > What "quality" isn't human? What "behavior" isn't human. > > > Remember these are > > > > human concepts placed on objects and animals by humans. > > > > If you think that quality is "placed by a human" you are > > implying a dualism. > > Do you see this man/value split as any different from a > subject/object > > divide? > > > > > > Intelligence is what we say it is, nothing else defines > > > reality, only > > > > humans. > > > > So if, (as a human) I say "humans can't know" am I right? > > > > Jos > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the > > attention of the > > addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or > > copying is not > > permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > destroy all copies > > and inform the sender by return e-mail. > > > > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the > > attention of the > > addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or > > copying is not > > permitted. 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