[Ron]
Or are you performing a 2 dimentional activity of a 3-d experience? Our
minds seem to be able to
flop back and forth between 2-d and 3-d seemlessly. its what makes
Eschers work seem real because
It exploites this virtually unconscious ability. Is the human mind
linear in a 3-d reality?
Do we ever really exeperience 3-d reality or are we taking 2-d visual
bitmaps and over laying
Them on to a wire form that is part memory and part direct experience?
Why was the roadrunner allways able to travel through the painted tunnel
and the coyote
Could not? I know, it's against the law of physics, but the roadrunner
never studied law.
[Case]
Interesting, I think this jams together with the rounding error issue. The
Ideal world of forms exists only in our heads. It is objective in that we
can inter-subjectively understand and communicate about it but only when we
understand that it does not really exist in nature. Like precise
measurement, dimensionality is not a property of real things. It is a
property of our understanding of real things. It is built into the nature of
Maya. When the Hindus claim that the world is Maya or when the Buddhists
claim that life is illusion they are referring to the confusion that occurs
when we take our idealization to be the thing that is real.
The Roadrunner can run into the tunnels and the coyote can't because they
live in an ideal world with arbitrary laws of physics. Fortunately for us we
do not. There is just this little problem of how much we wish to make of the
difference between what these laws are and what we imagine them to be.
{ron}
Which brings me back to the [(x)+(x)] analogy with regard to Bohrs
philosphy of complimentarity
Of a limit having to be set by the subject to make use of any input.
What we percieve is a result
Of our minds built in limit(which seems to be variable). The mind
simplifies experience so it is
useful and storable like a computer Using the FAT 32 compression we
recall an experience then inflate
the 2-d memory to 3-d recalled experience. Likewise current experiences
are subject to triggered
Past recall to comprehend and identify it. The (x) factor of reality is
constantly checked by
The (x) factor of perception and wieghed against one another. (x)+(x)
equalls quality?
It would account for usually the most basic and accurate 2-d
representations in art of a 3-d expierience
Is often considered a highter quality of art.
[Case]
Here the real issue for me is how is sensation processed into perception?
How is memory encoded and accessed. Not too many years ago a holographic
model was proposed. Don't know what became of it but I haven't heard much
about it lately. I like what I have heard so far about neural networks but
we do tend to slap the metaphor de jur on mental processes, so who knows.
I think a lot comes down to the fact that our ideal forms are beautiful
because they are only as messy as we want them to be and it is not hard for
most of us to imagine perfection. The real world tends to piss us off
because it frequently does not play by our rules. I think that is one of the
faults with what Wilber calls "the traditions." They invite us to give
higher status to the world of the ideal.
A classic example of this can be seen in the historic treatment of the story
of Adam and Eve. The Jews, whose story this is, never saw the fall as an
indictment of nature as evil. They did not think the actions of Adam and Eve
brought sin into the world. The idea of "the fall" originates with Augustine
and I suspect comes out of the influence of the Gnostics and Neo-Platonist
who had decided that the real world is evil and co-opted the story to
account for it.
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