Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Second, when Platt assumed the example as about "social" medicine, it was
enough
for him to denounce a system. When it was shown the example was about
"private"
medicine, did you hear the same denouncement? No, of course not.
Platt commented April 15th:
Arlo has been criticizing me all along for not reading the article
[properly] and now comes
up with the statement that it was about "private" medicine.
Ant McWatt comments:
That's the hilarious part of this thread. Due to Platt's ignorance that
much of the NHS has been privatised over the last 25 years by politicians
following right-wing Thatcherite policies (as Case pointed out, this is a
fact that would be known by any reasonably intelligent UK based reader of
the Independent), he ended-up criticising "Grimecare" who are a privatised
health organization even though a cursory Google check would have revealed
this information to him. No thesis building required.
Platt continued to dig his "rhetorical hole" even deeper, April 15th:
I doubt if even a
died-in-the-wool socialist like Ant McWatt would claim the story was about
"private" medicine when the women was misdiagnosed twice in an NHS
hospital.
But, I could be wrong.
Ant McWatt comments:
Yes, wrong again Platt. On three counts:
Firstly, rather than a socialist, I'm a died-in-the-wool "MOQ-ite" (i.e.
someone open to usefulness of a particular idea irrespective of its
ideological heritage) unless, of course, you think an activity such as
selling cars in a free market is a type of socialism.
Secondly, the women [Ms Christian] was misdiagnosed only _once_ in an NHS
hospital. See the Guardian article that Arlo highlighted for this detail
at:
www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2056106,00.html
The private or public nature of this diagnosis is not revealed (by the
Guardian or the Independent) so it could have been done by medical staff
provided by a (relative expensive) private nursing agency despite being
carried out _in_ an NHS hospital.
Thirdly, when the GP out-of-hours service was publically funded (as it was
pre-Thatcher) it would have been a _doctor_ who would have spoken or visited
a patient. This damns the idea that private healthcare is better than
publically funded healthcare as the Independent article shows:
"Two days later, [Ms Christian's] condition had deteriorated and she called
the local GP out-of-hours service complaining that she had been vomiting a
'black tar-like substance' and that she had severe pain, dehydration and
constipation. The nurse [at "Grimecare"] who took the call said her case was
not serious enough to call out the emergency doctor, and advised her to take
laxatives for the constipation."
"The coroner said the nurse had 'totally failed' to deal with the case. 'Had
Ms Christian been seen by a doctor at this stage ... it is surely inevitable
that she would have been admitted,' he said. Even at this stage it was
likely her life would have been saved, he added."
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article2444479.ece
So we see that it was the privatised nature of the out-of-hours service that
ultimately resulted in this poor woman's death i.e. cutting costs by using a
nurse to provide critical medical advice rather than a doctor. Even at this
stage [that Ms Christian contacted "Grimecare"] it was likely her life would
have been saved...
With Platt generously showing us the limitations of privatised medicine, I
now look forward to him demanding that a publically provided health system
be set-up in South Carolina to prevent such tragic and avoidable incidents
happening there.
.
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