> [Case] > Can you suggest anything that would allow "me" to conclude positively > that any one or any thing outside of "myself" has subjective awareness?
> [Micah]: > Your senses. [Ham] By "conclude positively" I assume you mean ""prove objectively". [Case] No I mean conclude positively by whatever means you like. [Ham] You see, that's the odd thing about subjective awareness. It's subjective -- proprietary to the subject. All you can know about the world "outside of yourself" is objective. [Case] See that is the odd thing about objectivity. It can not be known except through consensus with others. [Ham] Being-aware is your cognizant awareness configuring "being" from value-sensibility. Therefore, any conclusion that you make is intellectualized from that objective knowledge. [Case] That first sentence is classic Hamish. I have no idea how to parse that sentence so that it means anything at all. Only you could follow it with the word "therefore". [Ham} The proof of beingness is your own sensibility. [Case] I am a big fan of Descartes on that one. [Ham] The only proof that a particular being is aware is its knowing that it senses. Which means that, ultimately, all proof is subjective. Fascinating paradox, isn't it? [Case] I am not a fan of Descartes effort to move beyond the "cogito". In fact I actually don't know how, outside of a leap of faith. But I do not find it paradoxical in the least. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
