[David M] I have no idea why you think the man made is any less actual than any other actual. I see it all as a contiuation of the pouring forth started without human beings. Our world of course drips in all this manmade stuff and language.
[Krimel] I agree that man and his products grow out of and are part of nature. Thus "man made" things are both natural and actual. But man made things are the intrusion of our idealizations into nature. They are nature re-formed into structures and functions that could never take shape in their own. In a sense that world dripping with stuff and verbiage is a consensual hallucination; to borrow a phrase from William Gibson. [David M] Conflict between different views is obvious, views are more diverse than ever, we perhaps need new ways to cope with this diversity? [Krimel] I don't know tolerance has had a pretty good track record when it isn't in short supply. It seems like you can usually increase tolerance by decreasing polarization. I mean, can't we all just get along? moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
