Hi Platt In terms of how a 'city' emerges I think this is correct. The whole process is also self organizing and this is the fundamental reality of emergence. But the other thing to remember here is that it doesn't have to be overly concerned with individuality or creativity - although these may also be factors in any modern city. The city (or any other social pattern) is not concerned with the individual or what it does, only with the interactions and how those interactions become complex and sufficiently ordered to attain a level of stability. Sometimes individuality and creativity are anathema to the patterns of the city - think of big planning, often initiated by a creative individual. Individuals, along with their creativity and their intellectual patterns, come and go but the city still remains as collective knowledge - i.e. social patterns of value.
Take care Platt Horse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. Social level "collective knowledge" can also be considered static patterns from previous individual creative intellectual activity, based on responses to DQ. For example, those "emergent patterns" that eventually become a city are the product of many individuals making decisions. Thanks for a fine interpretation, Horse. Platt > Quoting Horse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi Folks >> >> Before we get into another pointless political debate about the >> wonderfulness of the magnificent individual versus the marvelous >> collective could we try and think about this maybe from a slightly >> better perspective - i.e. mine! :) >> >> The term 'collective intelligence', IMO, is probably a misnomer in terms >> of the MoQ as it, incorrectly, appears to conjoin social and >> intellectual patterns. >> It may be better to think of it as 'collective knowledge' which can then >> be placed at the social level as patterns that accumulate and persist >> over time within a social context. >> All learned behaviours and other forms of knowledge that persist from >> one generation to the next but are not transmitted by biological means >> can now be neatly placed in this holder. Anything from how to crack an >> oyster open to the mangled grunts that constitute primitive language can >> be included, as can more complex language and whatever other social >> patterns you choose to include. When this 'collective knowledge' becomes >> sufficiently ordered and complex emergent patterns will start to appear >> - for an example think in terms of how a city develops and persists over >> many decades and even centuries. >> Awareness and contemplation of these patterns gradually gives rise to >> ordering and restructuring which leads to intellectual activity and the >> emergence of the intellectual level. So just as the biological patterns >> of life are available to the social level, so the developing social >> patterns of collective knowledge are available to the intellectual level. >> >> Any thoughts? > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
