At 05:12 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote: >[Marsha] >I have gone so far as to state that Quality is amoral. Both Platt >and Arlo immediately started throwing quotes at me. I presented the >water analogy: If everything is water, and there is nothing that is >not water, then there is no meaning to water, for there is no way of >distinguishing a duality or difference between water and >nonwater. It seems to me, if there were a morality to the MoQ, it >would reside in the 3rd and 4th levels. Do you agree, or not? > >[Krimel] >Yes, with the provision that I do not see much value in the distinction >between the 3rd and 4th level. The term noosphere has been mentioned a >couple of times recently. It is another term shamelessly abused by Wilber >but it traces to a Russian philosopher Vernadsky and was used by Teilhard de >Chardin. It included Pirsig's version of the intellectual and social levels >and avoids the messy clean-up. It is the sphere of human thought. > >But yes, I do not see much sense in talking about physical processes in >terms of morality or preference. I think probabilistic language is clearer >and more precise. I do not think there is a purpose or a drive toward >betterness in the evolution of life. What is frequently cited as such seems >more appropriately described in terms of the struggle for solar radiation to >dissipate into space. I have quoted Case on this a couple of times so I >won't bother again but here is his simplest statement on the subject: > >http://ispots.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=1 > >At the biological level it is much easier to project value terminology onto >living things and most philosophers have not attempted to push the point >that animals are automatons. I suspect they have internal memories and >models and emotional states similar to ours. But certainly not formalized >systems of what they ought and ought not to do.
Krimel, Having stated the above, do you believe the MoQ is a progression in our understanding of the world? I still do. Marsha moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
