Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Marsha, Krimel, > > "Throwing quotes"?? Let me ask this, if "morality" (here also read as > "betterness", since that was Krimel's claimed only manifested as human value > judgement), what truly new does the MOQ bring? Seems to me it does nothing > new, > as camps from idealism to humanism have claimed "man against an amoral world". > This is, of course, the underlying premise to S/O metaphysics that Pirsig > railed against. In other words, if "betterness" (as Pirsig suggests) is not > the > fundamental "Quality" of all levels, what is the draw here? If we dismiss that > "Quality" is "betterness" and consider it "amoral", why even call it > "Quality"? > What is "revolutionary" about a philosophy that posits a "moral man" > interacting with an "amoral world"? > > As I said last time out, "betterness" is only problematic when it is applied > to > the MOQ's levels from a detached, external, human perspective. Often the > levels > are in conflict, as when an asteroid pummels the earth's "biosphere". In such > a > case, what is good for the inorganic patterns is often devastating for > biological patterns. And while that asteroid lacks biological, social and > intellectual "morality", it IS inorganic morality. I don't think this waters > down the word at all. In fact, what it does is argue against the S/O > dichotomy. > > It makes no sense to me to call something "Quality", and then claim it is > "amoral" and has nothing to do with "betterness". Quality is by its very > conception a recognition that "some things are better than others", that is > they have "greater Quality". > > I dunno, this whole need to separate "man" out from the "world", this > reification of the same-old S/O dualism baffles me. I mean, with Ham I get it, > he is actively arguing _against_ the proposals of the MOQ, S/O dualism is > fundamentally important to his philosophy. But this is something I would say > is > truly critical to any revolutionary understandings Pirsig gives us, and to be > honest I'm not sure what the point of the MOQ would be without it. > > Or maybe its just me having a bad day...
You must be because I couldn't agree with you more. :-) Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
