[SA] Platt, Arlo brings up good questions to understand your line of thinking, and Platt, your line of thinking has seemingly collapsed into chaos with no intellectual response.
[Arlo] And that surprise you? ;-) But now Platt has his "out". He can bemoan being the victim of "ad hominem" leftist attacks, make empty but loud claims that it is really others who are absurd, all the while never answering a question, never addressing even the simplest questions that show the absurdity of his claim. Maybe even try to toss out a token "collectivist" comment or two. "He shouldn’t have cut it off, Phædrus thinks to himself. Were he a real Truth-seeker and not a propagandist for a particular point of view he would not. He might learn something." (ZMM). It is an absurd claim to propose that animals (read "single" animals) could at one point respond to DQ, but they have "lost" the ability. It's simply natural to ask "what could they do back then, in response to DQ, that they can no longer do?" And "how did they lose this ability? Was it like an appendix that just stopped working?" There is a further question here that we haven't mentioned yet, but which is the next logical query. Was there a time when inorganic patterns could respond to DQ? Give an example of something an inorganic pattern used to be able to do, in response to DQ, that inorganic patterns are no longer able to do. Then there is the related questions. If "man" is the only thing capable of respond to DQ, from where does this ability arise? There are two possible answers. "Some biological trait" (in which case you'd have to ask, did animals at one time have this biological trait? if not, how did THEY respond to DQ?) or "via social patterns" (which leads Platt away from his Individual Fantasy). And "if man is the only thing capable of responding to DQ, does this apply to just here or everywhere?" Both answers lead to further absurdities, but I'm sure we won't even make it that far. As I said, animals did not lose the ability to respond to DQ, the respond today the way they've always responded... via the possibilities afforded to them on the biological level. Man has gained a larger repertoire of responses, by virtue of his social being which in turn has lead to his being an intellectual being. This is basic MOQ evoution. Evolution that does not "stop" on one level when a new one emerges, but which is the ongoing, Dynamic response of all patterns. We have a lot of arrogance to suppose that in our little microcosmic snapshot of the cosmos we can "see" that evolution (inorganic and biological) has stopped. Inorganic patterns evolved to their present state over billions of years, biological patterns have evolved over millions, and yet we propose that because "man doesn't see things change in his lifetime, that's proof that evolution has stopped". We can see from the MOQ that evolution is not a linear progression, but an emergent phenomenon where higher levels arise from the ongoing movement towards DQ on the levels beneath them. Inorganic patterns today do what inorganic patterns have always done, respond to DQ via their inorganic nature. And from this, biological patterns emerge, which do today what they have always done, moved towards DQ on the biological level. And so on. Evolution continues, will continue, as everything from the smallest particle to "man" responds to "it's better here". moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
