Hi SA

I agree we are talking past each other.  My point of view after reading Pirsig 
is that there are two ways of looking at things: 1. as a manifestation, sq' 
objective, cosmic evolution, or 2. as order dq' subjective conscious evolution. 
 This point of view is also expressed in esoteric literature.  IMO morality 
comes from a point of view of order, the lower and higher are related 
existentially through dq.  There is no morality apart from dq.  In a 
manifestation you cannot describe dq as it is indefinable.   The statement 
'everything is quality' is from the point of view of order which is dq.  IMO 
Objects are sq, manifestations.  In the periodic table there is no accounting 
for the relatonship between life and water dq, an atmosphere with oxygen and 
proprietary awareness dq.

Joe

[Joseph]
> The inorganic evolves from the void.  IMO he was
> describing  the parameters of evolution dq/sq, not
> objects since dq is indefinable.   


     I'm not talking about objects.  I'm talking about
a static pattern of value called the inorganic level. 
There are four levels of static patterns (sq).  There
is a void here between what your saying and what I'm
asking it seems.  On the inorganic level we find
atoms.  Atoms are static pattern of values, and Pirsig
said values are moral are quality - static quality
when referring to atoms, right?  I don't see inorganic
level as being dq, so, don't really know why you
mention, "...not objects since dq is indefinable."

blue,
sA



> [Joseph]
> > My understanding of the relationships within the
> > inorganic level is the periodic table. There is no
> > morality in the table only atomic weight. 
> 
>      Ok, but why did Pirsig say 'Everything is
> Quality' and Quality is Value is Moral in your
> opinion.  Inorganic level is a static pattern of
> value
> according to Pirsig.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> SA
> 
> 
>      
>
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