Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> [Platt]
> Sorry you had to wait that long before you could appreciate beauty.  For 
> most, a sense of beauty, like the sense of quality, co-exists with 
> experience, beginning at birth.
> 
> [Krimel]
> To rephrase your buddy Wilber a bit what you are talking about above might
> be thought of a pre-aesthetic. It has nothing to do with art at all. In fact
> given it's universality among humans it would appear to be genetically
> determined like morality. 
> 
> Art is just something produced by an artist to be appreciated as beautiful.
> Nature without artists provides ample objects of beauty to satisfy this
> pre-aesthetic sense. Just read SA's posts.
> 
> The ability to create art for others to appreciate might be termed
> tran-aesthetic in that it involves the ability to produce outward
> expressions of the inner beauty of one person that resonate with the
> aesthetic sense of others.

By George, I think he's got it! Only there's nothing "trans" about it. Beauty
like Quality, is Beauty, no matter how or when created. 

> Certainly our aesthetic sense changes over time; both in our ability to
> produce and appreciate the art produced. The point that you are missing is
> that the production of trans-aesthetic works of art absolutely depends of
> the development of science and technology.

Like I said, nothing transcends the art produced by the cavemen of Lascaux. 
 
> Furthermore an appreciation of the science and technology greatly enhances
> the ability to see and appreciate beauty. It adds new layers and dimensions
> to the infantile aesthetic sense. Perhaps if you had taken the spiritual and
> consciousness expanding disciplines offered to you in school as a child more
> seriously you could see this. But unfortunately talking to you is often like
> trying to explain the nuances of Thalo Green to a blindman.

Speaking of infantile, you always manage some way to toss in a personal insult,
like the above, "You're stupid. Besides, my appreciation of beauty is better 
than
yours." 

Oh well, someday the sun will shine.


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