Hello everyone

From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MD] Paradise in cyber space
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:11:40 -0400

[Marsha]
How would the MOQ differentiate the artwork from the experience of creating it?

[Arlo]
I am reminded of this from ZMM.

"Phædrus felt that at the moment of pure Quality perception, or not even
perception, at the moment of pure Quality, there is no subject and there is no
object. There is only a sense of Quality that produces a later awareness of
subjects and objects. At the moment of pure quality, subject and object are
identical. This is the tat tvam asi truth of the Upanishads, but it’s also reflected in modern street argot. "Getting with it," "digging it," "grooving on it" are all slang reflections of this identity. It is this identity that is the basis of craftsmanship in all the technical arts. And it is this identity that modern, dualistically conceived technology lacks. The creator of it feels no particular sense of identity with it. The owner of it feels no particular sense of identity with it. The user of it feels no particular sense of identity with
it. Hence, by Phædrus’ definition, it has no Quality."

"That wall in Korea that Phædrus saw was an act of technology. It was
beautiful, but not because of any masterful intellectual planning or any
scientific supervision of the job, or any added expenditures to "stylize" it. It was beautiful because the people who worked on it had a way of looking at
things that made them do it right unselfconsciously. They didn’t separate
themselves from the work in such a way as to do it wrong. There is the center
of the whole solution." (ZMM)

With this in mind, I do not think the MOQ separates the art work from the
creation process. Indeed, just the opposite, the MOQ reminds of that they are
precisely INSEPARABLE.

"The machine that appears to be "out there" and the person that appears to be "in here" are not two separate things. They grow toward Quality or fall away
from Quality together." (ZMM)

Hi Arlo

Yes... but the question was: How would the MOQ differentiate the artwork from the experience of creating it?

The MOQ was introduced in LILA, not ZMM. I don't see where you've addressed the question other than in a subject-object way of thinking that the MOQ subsumes.

Thoughts?

Dan


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