Hello everyone >From: MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MD] E/O >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:26:40 -0400 > >At 02:33 PM 6/23/2007, you wrote: > >Hello everyone > > > > > >Considering the question: > > > >"Does Lila have Quality?" > > > > >From an ontological point of view people and things have properties. >They > >have a nature that exists outside the mind, so Lila has Quality or she > >doesn't. From an epistemic point of view people and things have a nature > >that exists inside the mind. As people of the 21st century Western >culture, > >we think, ane so again, Lila has Quality or she doesn't. > > > >The MOQ tells us Quality has Lila. "Nothing dominates Quality." The MOQ > >offers a more expanded point of view, one that looks at ontological and > >epistemic points of view and states that they are both right... in a >limited > >context. Ontologically, inorganic and biological patterns of value have a > >nature that exists physically. Epistemically, social and intellectual > >patterns of value have a nature that exists mentally. > > > >Or so I think... > > > >Any thoughts, anyone? > >Hi Dan, > >Are the patterns of value that exists mentally, in both the social >and intellectual levels, 'knowing' and belonging to epistemology?
Hi Marsha I think the MOQ would say that there are different ways of knowing. We know the taste of an apple when we bite into it but it is impossible to explain that taste intellectually. That said, I believe the MOQ would say that epistomology deals with intellectual level knowledge and social level belief. > >Believe it or not, I was trying to discover why the answers that you >and Arlo gave in a different thread were so different, but both >seemed so right. Arlo wrote: "With this in mind, I do not think the MOQ separates the art work from the creation process. Indeed, just the opposite, the MOQ reminds of that they are precisely INSEPARABLE." I think that is right. However, if memory serves correct, Arlo was using "INSEPARABLE" in a pre-MOQ (ZMM) context. The first cut of subject/object metaphysics (SOM) supposes a separation that the MOQ replaces with Dynamic Quality and static quality. There is no separation as such in the MOQ. >I thought maybe it was epistemology versus >ontology. I think that is an astute observation. >But maybe it was just my inadequate question to begin >with. It was a very challenging question, at least for me. >Thanks for responding. You're welcome. And thank you too. Dan moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
