At 02:02 PM 6/23/2007, you wrote: > [SA previously] > > > Why would an intellectual value, such as > > >knowledge be on the social level? Are you > > >pin-pointing knowledge or value, which the latter > > is on all levels? How is social of the mind? Isn't > > the presence of an intellectual level this mind that > > has freed itself upon a new level in the wake of dq? > > >Value choices happen on all levels, but isn't > > >knowledge a specific kind of value choice, which > > >occurs on the intellectual level? > > [Marsha] > > Don't get grabby. > > What am I grabbing? > > [Marsha] > > Maybe epistemology needs to be tossed out the >window. And with it > the word 'knowledge'. I'm just >trying to figure this out. Maybe there > isn't any >knowledge on any level, just patterns of value. I've >had > > about eight undergraduate courses in Philosophy and >read many, > > many books without any guidance. I'm doing the best >I can. > > I'm asking sincere questions. What is the >difference between an SOM knowledge and a knowledge >based upon and imbued with value? Maybe we are just >changing epistemology to study a knowledge that >involves value. That's why I mentioned that value is >on all levels, but our study of this value, the >knowledge we have about this value is on the >intellectual level.
You tell me what YOU think. For me in the beginning is value/experience. Other than an unrelenting curiosity, I'm not sure I need to know exactly which patterns go in which levels. Well, I would like to be able to understand and explain this new MOQ worldview, but I mostly paint. The people around me don't want to talk about metaphysical matters or philosophy which is frustrating. It just seems to me, if all is SPOVs: thoughts, trees, atoms, rocks, geometry, dogs, water, philosophy are patterns, then these patterns should not be described as material objects with value attached. Everything I see, hear, taste, touch, smell & think is value/experience and may become or intersect with SPOVs. No you tell me how you would define knowledge. Is it patterns of abstract symbol manipulation only, or might it be patterns like knowing you mother's name too. That's social custom, but isn't a name also a symbol for something else (mother). I don't know for sure. Epistemology deals with 'what we know' and 'how we know it'. Is knowing how to bake a pie knowing something? If it's not knowing, what is it? Is knowing that a pie falls into the category of desserts knowing? You're asking me for information that I'm asking about? What is it that you think I'm missing? You tell me. I'm interested. I'm going to watch The Thomas Crowne Affair (new version). It's one of my favorite movies. Do you know it? Marsha Marsha moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
