Quoting ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Krimel, and Platt, > > If I may just put your point on hold Krim ... the idea that > "synchronicity IS causality" ... let's just say time and causation are > seriously weird concepts when you get right down to them - beyond > Platt's "every-day common-sense" view that causation is kinda obvious. > > Platt, you behave and you'll find I'll behave ;-)
I'll give it my best shot. But, expressing a conservative view is not intended as a personal insult to your politics. > You asked (leaving out the sarky master-baiting) > "... synchronicities as related to DQ .... can you explain their > relationship to evolutionary psych?" Is "sarky master-baiting" intended as insult? Looks that way. > Two levels ... > > Firstly, that Jung (and follower like Maslow) also made the same connections. > > Secondly, I guess I saying that what we see as time and causation is a > culturally conditioned (evolved psychology - "everyday common sense") > of how we have rationalized what we think we see. As Pirsig points out > other "non-western" cultures have quite different takes on both time > (the apparent order or relative direction of time between things that > appear to happen) and causation (dependency, yes, but not necessarily > all one way.) > > I've not analysed any link between the first and second points. > > Ian Well, "cause" may be culturally conditioned as is everything we think is true, including the concept of truth itself. But, having accepted that truth as true, there is a group of individuals, namely scientists, who have demonstrated to most that their truths transcend cultures. Further, their's is a search for basic, transcultural causes to whatever phenomena they happen to be studying, only many of them refer to such causes as "mechanisms." This leads me to one of my favorite passages in Lila. From Chapter 11: "But after reading it Phaedrus wrote on one of his slips, 'It seems clear that no mechanistic pattern exists toward which life is heading, but has the question been taken up of whether life is heading away from mechanistic patterns?' "He guessed that the question had not been taken up at all. The concepts necessary for talking it up were not at hand. In a metaphysics in which static universal laws are considered fundamental, the idea that life is evolving away from any law just draws a baffled question mark. It doesn't make any sense." Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
