[Khaled]
If the rules are set so that no religion has a stronghold on society, then it won't matter who gets into power, the God value is set to nil and all can live. [Ron] Khaled, I saw the senate debacle too, It was embarrasing. Good post. I'd like to add some quotes from the founding fathers of the United States. (mostly Thomas Jefferson) President James Madison - "A just government has no need for the clergy or the church." President John F. Kennedy "I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end... where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice." "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." Thomas Jefferson quoted by Gerard Straub in "Salvation for Sale" "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own" Thomas Jefferson, 1814 "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our god alone. I enquire after no man's and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether yours or mine, our friend's or our foe's, are exactly the right." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) Source: letter to Miles King, September 26, 1814 May [the Declaration of Independence] be to the world, what I believe it will be (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all), the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. Thomas Jefferson Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry. Thomas Jefferson "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." Thomas Jefferson Source:Letter to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813 "All forms of religion have united for the first time to diffuse charity and piety, because for the first time in the history of nations all have been totally untrammeled and absolutely free." Martin Van Buren Source:Second Annual Message to Congress, 3 December 1838 Let it be henceforth proclaimed to the world that man's conscience was created free; that he is no longer accountable to his fellow man for his religious opinions, being responsible therefore only to his God John Tyler moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
