Hi Marsha, > At 06:58 AM 7/22/2007, you wrote: > >Quoting MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > At 05:29 PM 7/21/2007, Platt wrote: > > > > > > >No. The citizens of communist China have limited freedom compared to > > > >citizens of the U.K. > > > > > > Platt, > > > > > > How do you know this? Are you a citizen of communist China? Have you > > > even been to China? > > > >Hi Marsha, > > > >No, I am not a citizen of communist China and I have never been there. But > >I have read about citizens of China being arrested for criticizing their > >government. They do not enjoy the protections of free speech that citizens > >of the U.S. and U.K enjoy. Do you have reason to doubt this? > > Platt, > > How do you know this?
See for example: http://www.cpj.org/protests/01ltrs/China18sep01pl.html Do you doubt this? > Have you spoken to many Chinese > citizens? Have you read any books about China? No and no. Are you talking > about China today, or China 10 years ago? China in the last 10 years up to today. > May U.S. citizen say > ANYTHING they please? Without being prosecuted and thrown in jail? Yes. On college campuses, no. On TV and radio, no. In print, yes. > Are there no restraints? Yes, but not for criticizing the government. > May a young boy hold up a > sign stating BONG HITS 4 JESUS? Free speech??? Children are restrained more than adults, for obvious reasons. > If you were a > Arab-American could you say ANYTHING? What do you have in mind? > Your opinions are too general to be > meaningful. How so? If you want to peacefully protest a WTO meeting, can you be > sure the police won't shoot tear-gas at you? What's a WTO? > May there be static filters that distort YOUR evaluation, since your > understanding doesn't seem to be based on actual experience? Sure, everyone has static filters. Don't you? I understand a lot about the Revolutionary War even though I didn't actually experience it. Are you suggesting understanding can only come from actual experience? > Where > have your opinions come from? Like yours, a variety of sources, too numerous to mention. Originally you wrote of 'freedom', > not 'freedom of speech'. Right. But the original subject was "Limits of freedom." That would include speech wouldn't it? > > > What is your definition of freedom? > > > >Restraint from power of another. > > Who has such restraints from power of another? The U.S. Bill of Rights guarantees restraints from government power. Then their a numerous laws restraining power of another, like laws against rape for example. >The definition of > freedom is as Gav wrote, 'to be in the present is to be free of the > ego'. Freedom is the dynamic now, not socialized static > opinion. ARE YOU FREE? Talk about generalities. :-) But, it seems you and Gav have some static opinions, too. But, I could be wrong. Platt moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
