In a message dated 5/25/2007 10:42:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I  totally  agree with your definition of fluency-- that it must be   
inseparable from comprehension. However, I would note that  assessments  
such as DIBELS and some fluency  programs
You are right about the DIBELS.  I was very disturbed when we looked  at it 
that the way they measured comprehension of the passage was by counting  the 
number of words the child used in their retell.  This is one of the  major 
reasons we never purchased it.
 
I am not advocating fluency programs at all.  I really don't think you  need 
one.  I think the reason we see so many now is because it is easy to  package 
and sell.  I teach my fluency lessons with text the children are  reading and 
short passages that are on an appropriate level for the child.   I also vary 
the genre to be sure they understand how to read these as  well.
 

I'm  
understanding your posts, you believe that fluency  and comprehension  
are reciprocal--that each  influences the  other. That's what the  
research shows too. 
Yes that is exactly what I was saying. 

The  difference in what many teachers are being told  
is that if we train  kids to read quickly, comprehension will follow.  
Actually, the  research shows that's not the case. Comprehension does  
not just  suddenly pop up when a child can read a passage flawlessly.

That is absolutely right.  That is why we have to understand that when  
someone says they teach fluency it does not merely mean we time the children 
and  
get a score.  It is so much more than that and should be included in the  
reading instruction we do.  I really teach it in reading as well as  writing.  
 
I also agree with what you said about the data regarding ELLs and decoding  
instruction.  Many ELLs that I have worked with are good word  callers.  They 
can call the words but do not have great  comprehension.  
 
Laura
readinglady.com
 



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