Well I personally think fluency has pretty much nothing to do with  
speed. Yes, nothing. To me, fluency is expressive, mindful, flowing...  
not necessary speedy.

Renee

On Oct 28, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Beverlee Paul wrote:

> I really, truly have tried to stay out of this fluency discussion  
> because it turned heated the last round, but . . . I really hate it  
> when we equate fluency with speed, even when we say we know they're  
> not one and the same.  But our actions and the semantics/word choices  
> we use reveal that many of us do see them as identical.
>
> Have any of you read Regie's new Teaching Essentials yet?  (great  
> read)  One thread of that book is that we always need to be mindful of  
> where we want our kids to end up, and to use that knowledge to guide  
> our every teaching decision along the way.  Do we want our children  
> (eventual adults) to read fast????  Or do we want our children  
> (adults) to read quickly enough to enhance/maintain comprehension,  
> which will usually be in a silent reading situation?  It makes a  
> difference!
>
> We've addressed the issue many times on this list (within different  
> contexts) of teaching for the goal, not for the means.  Role sheets  
> are used as a vehicle to get where we want kids to go--being a  
> flexible contributor to group discussion.  Cooperative learning is a  
> vehicle for kids to learn how to fully function in group work.   
> Strategy instruction is used so kids can comprehend text.  We can't  
> just stop in the middle as if that's where we want to go!
>
> We can't even say, IMO, that speed is a necessary, but not sufficient,  
> part of fluency.  Yes, there may, many times, be a correlation between  
> speed and fluency.  But certainly not always.  Just because speed is a  
> "speedy, easy, simple" thing to measure/document doesn't make it  
> necessary nor even desirable.  My kids, like Lori's, have been greatly  
> influenced by cultural background and a different language foundation,  
> so kids in my area with Native American roots almost always do speak  
> slower.  But even if you talk about a single race in a single locale,  
> for heaven's sake, there's individual variations.  Once again, we see  
> that correlation does not mean causal.
>
> I'm not sure if you can demean a concept ?!:-)  but I think we do  
> marginalize the connotation of fluency by reducing it to something so  
> single-faceted that it can be measured by a stopwatch!
>
> "Not everything important can be measured, and we can't measure  
> everything that's important."
>
> Bev       original post -> I too have students who are focusing on  
> increasing speed. They are sixth graders whose strategy work is  
> progressing well, and they love to read, but they're painfully aware  
> that their rate is slower than most.
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