Tim participated in an active conversation regarding DIBELs (fondly known to me as DRIBBELS) and shared this with the Mosaic group.
Lori On 10/29/07 10:51 AM, "Melody Pinkston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I saw Tim Rasinski present on Saturday. He said he DIBELed MLK's "I > Have a Dream" speech...only 87 wpm - you know what that means. But, > it is that pacing and voice that give it impact. > Dr. Rasinski said students need short, predictable text that are read > over and over: songs, poems, Reader's Theater, recitations > (americanrhetoric.com), cheers, jump rope chants nursery rhymes, > words of wisdom, etc. Check his website for more ideas and links. > www.timrasinski.com > > Melody > > > > On Oct 28, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Renee wrote: > >> Well I personally think fluency has pretty much nothing to do with >> speed. Yes, nothing. To me, fluency is expressive, mindful, flowing... >> not necessary speedy. >> >> Renee >> >> On Oct 28, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Beverlee Paul wrote: >> >>> I really, truly have tried to stay out of this fluency discussion >>> because it turned heated the last round, but . . . I really hate it >>> when we equate fluency with speed, even when we say we know they're >>> not one and the same. But our actions and the semantics/word choices >>> we use reveal that many of us do see them as identical. >>> >>> Have any of you read Regie's new Teaching Essentials yet? (great >>> read) One thread of that book is that we always need to be >>> mindful of >>> where we want our kids to end up, and to use that knowledge to guide >>> our every teaching decision along the way. Do we want our children >>> (eventual adults) to read fast???? Or do we want our children >>> (adults) to read quickly enough to enhance/maintain comprehension, >>> which will usually be in a silent reading situation? It makes a >>> difference! >>> >>> We've addressed the issue many times on this list (within different >>> contexts) of teaching for the goal, not for the means. Role sheets >>> are used as a vehicle to get where we want kids to go--being a >>> flexible contributor to group discussion. Cooperative learning is a >>> vehicle for kids to learn how to fully function in group work. >>> Strategy instruction is used so kids can comprehend text. We can't >>> just stop in the middle as if that's where we want to go! >>> >>> We can't even say, IMO, that speed is a necessary, but not >>> sufficient, >>> part of fluency. Yes, there may, many times, be a correlation >>> between >>> speed and fluency. But certainly not always. Just because speed >>> is a >>> "speedy, easy, simple" thing to measure/document doesn't make it >>> necessary nor even desirable. My kids, like Lori's, have been >>> greatly >>> influenced by cultural background and a different language >>> foundation, >>> so kids in my area with Native American roots almost always do speak >>> slower. But even if you talk about a single race in a single locale, >>> for heaven's sake, there's individual variations. Once again, we see >>> that correlation does not mean causal. >>> >>> I'm not sure if you can demean a concept ?!:-) but I think we do >>> marginalize the connotation of fluency by reducing it to something so >>> single-faceted that it can be measured by a stopwatch! >>> >>> "Not everything important can be measured, and we can't measure >>> everything that's important." >>> >>> Bev original post -> I too have students who are focusing on >>> increasing speed. They are sixth graders whose strategy work is >>> progressing well, and they love to read, but they're painfully aware >>> that their rate is slower than most. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>> >>> >> >> "When you learn, teach. When you get, give." >> ~ Maya Angelou >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > -- Lori Jackson District Literacy Coach & Mentor Todd County School District Box 87 Mission SD 57555 http:www.tcsdk12.org ph. 605.856.2211 Literacies for All Summer Institute July 17-20. 2008 Tucson, Arizona _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
