I would love to hear this conversation develop.  Please keep thinking and 
posting, Lori and Carol.  I'll throw a few of my biases into the mix here.  The 
trouble with populations such as Carol's (Hispanic LEP, ELL, whatever) and 
Lori's (Native American, LEP) and "language instruction" a la NCLB/Reading 
First/CR/RM/OC, etcetera is that EXPLAINING WORDS WITH MORE WORDS is just never 
going to do it for the very kids that may be at highest risk.  They will remain 
kids without any true understanding of the vocabulary, therefore unable to use 
the language of power such as Lori is talking about, consequently ready to be 
marginalized or oppressed.  "Big words" peppered in do not an understanding of 
register, or any other more powerful language usage, make.
 
Our knowledge of language acquisition and bilingualism and learning theory seem 
to have just been thrown out the window (along with the kids) when we provide 
language "instruction" to kids that is all abstract.  I will never understand 
how ELL educators and speech pathologists, of all people, think Reading First 
will help the children for whom they are responsible, and for whom they should 
be advocating!!  They should know better!! 
 
"Teaching" words such as "ambled" and "indolent" in third grade Corrective 
Reading through call-and-response is just not going to make an ELL kid (such as 
the ones Carol describes wetting themselves) proficient in English or a 
powerful language user capable of using language to become a part of the 
mainstream culture in America.  
 
Language at early levels is acquired through direct, concrete experience.  If 
someone really wanted to have the conversation Carol described and have a 
chance at changing the "wetting oneself" concept,  they'd need to bring in the 
water!!  It "seems" to be more efficient to just throw big words at the ELL 
kids, but the error of that thinking should be apparent when we consider our 
inability to change the language of Carol's kids in her scenario.  
 
The language proficiency hasn't changed at all; they're just LEP kids who use 
big words. 
 
The part that never ceases to amaze me is that the language experiences of ELL 
kids in programs such as those required by Reading First further and further 
narrow language opportunities and we think we are doing them a big favor.  And 
the people who should know better are the ones leading the "pack."  (And I hope 
my language usage of the word "pack" invokes the understanding I intend.)  It's 
all well and good that we, as superior language users, can write each other and 
discuss language with words typed and electronically transmitted: that, 
however, has little to do with the ELL or LEP kid.  The "big words" we use are 
appropriate to our development and educational level.  "Pasting" big words onto 
an LEP kid may impress someone, but doesn't necessarily broaden or deepen their 
language abilities.
 
Now, curious enough, I agree with both Lori and Carol and a host of others, 
which I guess shows how I wrestle with these concepts.  My thinking is pretty 
muddy.  Yes, Lori's kids have to be able to use powerful language in order to 
lessen the oppression in which they currently reside.  There is a purpose for 
using the phrases "extrapolate," "recording data," or "permutations" AND, most 
importantly, we provide the concrete, direct experiences (or should) for 
developing a true understanding of science process and mathematical concepts.  
And those concepts might as well be called what they are.  Anything less has a 
chance of "locking in" the language/vocabulary of the less powerful.  Of course 
we want our kids to be powerful users of our language.  Of course, we want our 
kids to have access to rich vocabulary such as that which Carol describes.  But 
it's the instructional choices we make that determines to what extent our 
children do become proficient in the language of power, and, again explaining 
words WITH MORE WORDS isn't likely to get our kids to where we want them to go.
 
I suspect that this whole discussion is muddy because we ourselves aren't clear 
about LANGUAGE acquisition as opposed to VOCABULARY acquisition.
 
Elisa, what do you think?
 
Hoping not to offend, but feeling strongly,
Bev
 
     ************************************************************Carol said, I 
was thinking about how teaching more specific vocabulary would helpeliminate 
this confusion. They could learn:Moisten the towel. or Make the towel moist. 
Soak the paper. or Be sure the paper is soaked. I dried my soaking wet hair. or 
I dampened my hair before styling it. I got wet in the sprinklers. I sprayed my 
sister. I squirted my brother.I drenched my dad. I splashed my mom. We were all 
dripping wet. Even our 
underwear was drenched.  All this language to teach and so little time it 
seems! Carol
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