Hi Debbie,
We have found Lexia, both the Primary Reading (ages 5-8) and  SOS  
(Strategies for Older Students) to be successful with our 3rd and 4th  
graders.  It is a computer program that branches, depending on the  
rate and accuracy of each student's responses.  The program tracks  
rate and accuracy and the teacher can look at a student's performance  
and know exactly what skills to target.  We combine this with  
instruction based on the Wilson Reading Program.  Lexia also has an  
Early Reading program which our K-2 school uses.  If you are not  
familiar with Lexia, check it out at Lexialearning.com.  Our students  
really like it and can see the difference it makes in their text  
reading.  I have also heard that the newer version of Earobics is good  
for phonemic awareness and decoding, but I haven't used it.
Hope this helps,
Linda
On Jun 21, 2008, at 8:22 AM, KENNETH SMITH wrote:

>
>
> Hi, all,
>
> I am looking for some suggestions on teaching phonemic awareness and  
> segmentation to older students (3rd and 4th grade). I have several  
> students who just don't get it, and they can read lots of words, but  
> they are limited to the words they know and don't know how to apply  
> decoding strategies to the ones they don't, and they can't spell  
> worth beans! If I give them just a single word, they are usually  
> okay, but in text they are lost. They also can't handle words with  
> more than one syllable. They tend to jumble up the sounds in the  
> middle. I have used the boxes to write each sound that we hear when  
> we say a word, and I've given them words to attempt to do the same,  
> but they just don't get it. And sometimes they are way off - they  
> will insert completely random sounds (/r/ seems to be a favorite).  
> They do this more often when orally trying to break down the sounds,  
> but also when writing. They have such poor comprehension that they  
> aren't able to use the context to help with decoding. Sometimes it  
> seems as though the only way they can use context is if I read it to  
> them. They may read a sentence and substitute a random word (usually  
> begins with the same letter, but that's all), and not even realize  
> that it doesn't make sense. When I try to focus their attention on  
> the word, they just can't figure out anything that would make sense  
> that begins like that word, and we spend so much time on this level  
> of reading that it's hard to get to the deeper meaning and enjoyment  
> of reading.
>
> I have one more really difficult student and I would love to hear  
> suggestions on this. The little guy will be entering first grade  
> next year and did "double duty" in our half-day kindergarten this  
> year (attending both sessions). He is unable to remember what any  
> letters are. He still doesn't recognize his own name, he can't get  
> all the way through the alphabet orally, he only gets to about "g",  
> but he can't match letters to the alphabet song as he sings, he  
> can't distinguish between letters and numbers. We have tried every  
> style of learning we can think of with him. After tracing his own  
> name for the entire school year he still can't write it himself.  
> (And that's just his first name, with only 4 letters.) He was tested  
> for SPED and didn't qualify, supposedly because his IQ was too high  
> (70's). What's a reading teacher to do?????? He's a sweet boy and I  
> am very concerned for him. His older brother is one of the kiddos  
> described in the above paragraph, and I believe he is on the autism  
> spectrum(our autism specialist and I have done many observations).  
> Family support is minimal.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Debbie Smith
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