Debbie, it seems to me that there is an underlying consideration here, but I 
don't really have enough information to know.  It's imperative that kids like 
these read materials at their instructional level when working with you and 
independent level when reading on their own.  It sounds to me that the 
materials are deep into frustrational level.  If this is the case, there isn't 
much in the way of skill instruction that will be appropriate.  You're going to 
need to find materials at their level that they are interested in FIRST, then 
look for teaching technique.
 
********************************> I am looking for some suggestions on teaching 
phonemic awareness and segmentation to older students (3rd and 4th grade). I 
have several students who just don't get it, and they can read lots of words, 
but they are limited to the words they know and don't know how to apply 
decoding strategies to the ones they don't, and they can't spell worth beans! 
If I give them just a single word, they are usually okay, but in text they are 
lost. They also can't handle words with more than one syllable. They tend to 
jumble up the sounds in the middle. I have used the boxes to write each sound 
that we hear when we say a word, and I've given them words to attempt to do the 
same, but they just don't get it. And sometimes they are way off - they will 
insert completely random sounds (/r/ seems to be a favorite). They do this more 
often when orally trying to break down the sounds, but also when writing. They 
have such poor comprehension that they aren't able to use the context to help 
with decoding. Sometimes it seems as though the only way they can use context 
is if I read it to them. They may read a sentence and substitute a random word 
(usually begins with the same letter, but that's all), and not even realize 
that it doesn't make sense. When I try to focus their attention on the word, 
they just can't figure out anything that would make sense that begins like that 
word, and we spend so much time on this level of reading that it's hard to get 
to the deeper meaning and enjoyment of reading. 
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