Dave, I didn't , mean to imply that you couldn't comprehend, was just curious if you had turned it into a scroll. Do you wonder what it would be like? I do. I even think this might be the perfect book to scroll because if I copied it I'd have nice big margins to write on!
Joy/NC/4 How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org ________________________________ From: Dave Middlebrook <[email protected]> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:58:43 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Professionalism-zmm No, I didn't scroll it. It's still in book form. This was long before I started scrolling my books. An interesting side effect of this is that when I tried to talk with those amongst my friends who had read it, they thought I was crazy. The book that I had read was not the book that they had read. Our comprehensions were different. But there was no grade or income at stake, so it didn't really matter. I'm happy with what I comprehended. I know that I'm more "mainstream" in my comprehension when I read a scroll, but that doesn't mean that I can't read a book and make sense of it. Sometimes the sense I make is, frankly, much more intersting than anything in the book! But I know that there is a "mainstream" comprehension that people seem to form, and I have learned how to find this. I have learned a lot about how to read bound books from reading unrolled books. I still prefer scrolls, but I am now capable of anchoring my comprehension a bit more closely to the text when I read a book that has been fragmented into pages. - Dave Now, if I had to read something today, knowing that I would need to discuss it with other people, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Professionalism-zmm > Ah, a most treasured text, for sure! mine looks much like Dave's Zen. > > One question for Dave, you haven't turned it into a scroll? > > > Joy/NC/4 > > How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content > go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: Dave Middlebrook <[email protected]>; Mosaic: A Reading > Comprehension Strategies Email Group <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:00:55 AM > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Professionalism-zmm > > And how many of us have the deceptively simple To Kill a Mockingbird, > looking much like Dave describes above, rubber-banded together to wait for > the next read? > Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dave Middlebrook" <[email protected]> > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:55:24 > To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email > Group<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Professionalism-zmm > > > Zen... Incredible book. I've read it with new eyes three or four times > over the decades. The margins of my copy are filled with scribbled notes > in > different inks and different handwritings. Amazing to see how my > handwriting has changed over the years! The pages are brittle, slightly > tea-colored (the acid in the paper, I'm thinking) and the dog ears are > dog-eared. Where I've run out of margin, I've got stapled bits of paper > (from the days before sticky notes). > > There are only four other books that I have worked over this intensely: > "The > Greening of America" by Charles Reich, a collection of the works of Karl > Marx, "The Marx Engels Reader", edited by Robert Tucker, Stephen Hall's > "Mapping the Next Millenium", and Rudolf Arnheim's "Visual Thinking". > I've > read lots of other books, but these five keep pulling me back. And > Pirsig's > Zen was, for me, the first book that really just stopped me in my tracks. > It is breathtaking and emotionally powerful. > > What a great thing to wake up and read Renee's post, and then to read the > nods and smiles that followed! > > Feeling good! > > - Dave > > Dave Middlebrook > The Textmapping Project > A resource for teachers improving reading comprehension skills > instruction. > www.textmapping.org | Please share this site with your colleagues! > USA: (609) 771-1781 > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy" <[email protected]> > To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Professionalism-zmm > > >> Me too, thanks Renee for talking about this book, and for showing me the >> beauty of his words and thoughts. I'd even venture to say that a book >> talk >> may be in order. Anybody game? >> >> >> Joy/NC/4 >> >> How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and >> content >> go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: thomas <[email protected]> >> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:40:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Professionalism-zmm >> >> I am just going to finally have to read it! Too many people I admire >> have >> loved it over and over. >> >> sally >> >> >> On 6/19/09 10:39 AM, "Renee" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Funny. I was at our local espresso place yesterday having lunch and my >>> copy was on the table. The owner was wandering around, spied the book, >>> and asked, "How many times have you read this, now?" I thought it was >>> pretty funny that he automatically assumed I was rereading it. He said >>> he hadn't read it for about twenty years and that it might be time to >>> reread. He also recommended a book by Buckminster Fuller, called >>> Critical Path, which he said he has read several times. I haven't >>> checked that out yet. >>> >>> Anyway, for those who don't know ZMM, yesterday I read the part about >>> how Phaedrus experimented in his university writing class by giving no >>> grades until the end of the semester, how students reacted to that, and >>> his assertion that we, including students, already know what quality is >>> even if we can't define it, and that the writing process itself is more >>> important than knowing the rules about writing. And how this is all >>> wrapped up together. >>> >>> Sound familiar? >>> >>> Renee >>> >>> >>> On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:23 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> In a message dated 6/19/2009 12:53:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> [email protected] writes: >>>> >>>> Right now, I am rereading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, >>>> which is more about teaching than it is about motorcycles. Or Zen. Or >>>> Art. >>>> You addicted me to that book!!!! >>>> I would say it is much about life! >>>> >>>> Nancy >>> >>> "El fin de toda educacion debe ser seguramente el servicio a otros." >>> ~ Cesar Chavez >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. 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