Renee You know I agree with you philosophically. This list was created to discuss concepts and strategies presented in Mosaic. I know that you are passionate about your beliefs...but you will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. We need to hear the point of view of others, consider them thoughtfully and then use research, use our experiences and our understandings to counter them rationally and unemotionally. I count on your knowledge base and your passion on this list. I learn from you. But I am asking you, please, to use knowledge and experience rather than emotions to counter-argue please. In many places, reading is being taught from a philosophy counter to the one that was behind the creation of this list. It is crucial, in my mind, that we do NOT shut these folks out. We must win them over to win back our schools. Our kids are counting on us.
Everyone We learn more about our own point of view... and what is important to us through counter arguments. Those who disagree with us force us to more deeply understand our own thinking. Stop and think, before you post. Consider your audience. If this discussion deteriorates further, I will be forced to put the list on moderation. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Mosaic [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Renee Goularte Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:16 PM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS In my opinion, and from my experience, the worst thing to come across the pike in education and the teaching of reading is the "systematic and explicit phonics instruction" kool-aid. I have observed children, in general, come to see reading more and more as a chore and less and less as pleasure in the last decade. It's very sad and, worse, dangerous. To say that "going right to meaning first, relying on picture cues, telling the student to look at the first letter and think about what makes sense are all ineffective strategies" is just blatantly, condescendingly false. I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with philosophy and everything to do with what reading actually is, which is understanding ideas, gathering information, and bringing one's self to the text. This is the MOSAIC list, based on "Mosaic of Thought." As I understand it, the purpose of this list is to discuss the concepts and strategies presented in "Mosaic of Thought" .... not to undermine those concepts and strategies with a lot of gobbledygook blather about systematic and explic phonics first instruction. It's ALL about meaning. If it isn't about meaning, then it's pretty worthless. My two cents. Renee On May 2, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Amy McGovern wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > What I mean by my comment Jennifer is that rather than going to > meaning first, we work on learning to decode the patterns of the > English language using Fundations as a source for systematic and > explict phonics instruction. The phonics lesson is linked to a > decodable text. The goal is to always read for meaning. If one > cannot decode the text accurately then reading progress is stilted, to > say the least. I agree fully that meaning making and word study > are linked. English is a morpho-phonemic language. > The students in Fundations have the opportunity to practice a phonics > skill in isolation, then apply the skill in text within the > 20 to 30 minute lesson. > > If the the child comes to word they are unsure of, the prompt is: > look through the word. Sound it out. Does it make sense? > > This is not philosophy. It's the science of reading. Going right to > meaning first, relying on picture cues, telling the student to look at > the first letter and think about what makes sense are all > ineffective strategies for at risk readers. Furthermore, The > research on systematic and explicit phonics instruction is solid. > It is impossible to be systematic if the teacher is only focusing on > what the child is struggling with rather than following a logical > sequence that promotes generalizations and empowers both decoding and > comprehension. The three cueing system is broken and not supported by > the science of reading. Check out Speech to Print by Louisa Moats or > Overcoming Dyslexia by Sally Shaywitz if you need more proof. > > We know more about struggling readers than we've ever known before. > I HIGHLY recommend that you look into LETRS training: Language > Essentials for Teachers of Reading and Spelling. Excellent stuff...not > based on any programs either. With all due respect, I'm > done with philosophy Jennifer. Quite frankly, we all should be. > This is not about what you or I believe. We have too many failing > students to hang our hat on old strategies that don't work for the > most at-risk students. Fundations works. My teachers are all balanced > lit teachers and they are seeing huge gains in their students~well > beyond what we ever got with Words Their Way and classic Guided > Reading alone. > > Respectfully, > Amy > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 21:50:01 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS >> >> Amy...we've had this discussion before. I respect your philosophy of >> reading but it's different from mine. >> You can't teach word study separate from meaning in my philosophy of >> reading. Where we can meet in the middle is by saying Fundations does >> not stand alone. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Amy McGovern" >> <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Fundations is not intended to teach meaning cues. It is a word study >>> program that links encoding and decoding. It is designed to >>> supplement core instruction. It does not stand alone. >>> >>> I have five teachers using it this year k-2. Our core is balanced >>> lit. All of them really like it. They are seeing growth with their >>> lowest students for whom we need to solidify these foundational >>> skills. >>> >>> Foundations is effective. Again, it is supplemental systematic and >>> explicit word study instruction. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Amy >>> Reading Specialist >>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 00:44:07 +0000 >>>> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS >>>> >>>> Teri >>>> Briefly, I think Fundations has some good components. I love the >>>> letter-keyword-sound. It appears to work very well to help students >>>> develop letter sound relationships in Kindergarten. >>>> Tapping out sounds seems to help some kids learn to blend. >>>> HOWEVER, It brings phonemic awareness in too late, in my opinion >>>> and I encourage my teachers to start PA activities earlier. I also >>>> think it moves WAY to slow in first grade and up. I would recommend >>>> for Kindergarten, and only with modifications in grades one and up. >>>> The reason for not recommending it in first grade and up is because >>>> it does NOT include instruction in cross-checking with meaning cues >>>> in decoding nor does it help kids use syntax. >>>> It focuses very heavily on visual cue systems which bothers me. I >>>> am too deeply entrenched in the research of Marie Clay to advise >>>> you to use Fundations completely as written, even in K. >>>> Nonetheless... if you use some components carefully in K... it has >>>> had some good results in my schools. (one Title 1, the other not). >>>> If you want more detail, let's take this off list. >>>> I don't want to get the list sidetracked... >>>> >>>> Jennifer L. Palmer, Ed. 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Thanks for any >>>> pros/cons you can provide. >>>> >>>> Together in education, >>>> >>>> >>>> Teri Adams >>>> Cody's Reading Specialist >>>> [email protected] >>>> 563-332-0210 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mosaic >>>> [mailto:mosaic-bounces+adamsteri=pleasval.k12.ia.us@literacyworksho >>>> p.org >>>> ] On Behalf Of LINDA CASTALDO >>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:59 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [MOSAIC] DIBELS >>>> Importance: High >>>> >>>> I am not familiar with DIBELS Next but I am not a fan of DIBELs >>>> Sixth Edition in Second and Third Grades. I like DRA better >>>> because it tests oral and silent reading plus it tests reading >>>> comprehension. It is more time consuming to have students >>>> complete the DRA but overall it lets one see which skills they need >>>> more help with. >>>> >>>> Lin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Lin Castaldo, MA. 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