Hi James, > I can't get past installation. I posted on the mailing list. But nobody answered.
I'm sorry your question wasn't answered on the JavaNLP mailing list. It looks like release 3.2 of Phrasal is now known to be broken. The link should should be updated soon to a working version. Dan On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Read, James C <[email protected]> wrote: > I can't get past installation. I posted on the mailing list. But nobody > answered. > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of Matthias Huck [[email protected]] > Sent: 05 November 2013 13:15 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases > > Hi James, > > the Phrasal toolkit is freely available as well [ > http://nlp.stanford.edu/phrasal/], > so why don't you consider extracting discontinuous phrases using > Stanford's original implementation? > > Cheers, > Matthias > > > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 07:29 +0000, Read, James C wrote: > > Interesting. > > > > This isn't going to be an issue for the kind of experiments I will be > > running, though. I won't be using a language model or a reordering > > model or a beam search during decoding (I know, not much of Moses > > left). My main usage of 'Moses' at the moment is training translation > > models so I can run experiments with 'units of translation' in > > isolation from other variables in the system (language model, > > reordering model, beam search). I would really like to be able to run > > some experiments also with discontinuous phrases both source side and > > target side. > > > > Any idea what kind of changes I would need to make to the training > > process to be able to learn these kind of transformations? I suppose > > I'm also going to need to modify the operation of the translation > > model to get these working as well. > > > > thanks, > > James > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of Daniel Cer [[email protected]] > > Sent: 04 November 2013 19:43 > > To: Kenneth Heafield > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Ken and I just spoke about this. > > > > Here's a quick synopsis of our semi-recent experience at Stanford with > discontinuous/gappy phrases: > > > > * Source side gaps are effectively free and don't really degrade > decoding time. > > * Target side gaps are fine for smaller beam sizes (e.g., < 200). > > * When using large beams, our current implementation slows down > dramatically. For example, with a stack size of 500, I think it was > sometimes taking over an hour to translate some sentences. > > > > While discontinuous phrases can moderately increase the BLEU score, but > we get a bigger increase by just using very large beam sizes. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Kenneth Heafield <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'll throw in the anecdote that gappy phrases are currently not > in use > > at Stanford. My predecessor told me that it took a lot longer and only > > improved BLEU slightly on Chinese-English. But it's also possible that > > something didn't get passed down correctly from Michel to my predecessor > > to me. . . > > > > Kenneth > > > > On 11/03/13 14:18, Read, James C wrote: > > > My understanding is that they used a similar approach as the grammar > extraction to extract the gappy phrases. Would it be a massive undertaking > to get Moses to support this? > > > > > > James > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: Barry Haddow [[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>] > > > Sent: 30 October 2013 09:26 > > > To: Read, James C > > > Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases > > > > > > No, but it does support hiero and syntax models. > > > > > > On 29/10/13 22:23, Read, James C wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> does anybody know if Moses supports gappy phrases > http://www-nlp.stanford.edu/pubs/naacl10-discontinuous_phrases.pdf > > >> > > >> James > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Moses-support mailing list > > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > > > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moses-support mailing list > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moses-support mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moses-support mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > > > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > _______________________________________________ > Moses-support mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > _______________________________________________ > Moses-support mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >
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