Joe Francis wrote:
>...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
> > Except, of course, for the bazillions of people using Hotmail and
> > Yahoo Mail in Internet Explorer 5.x, where (last time I checked)
> > Return creates a new paragraph and Shift+Return creates a new line.
> > Those people can handle it just fine.
> >
> > Are there stats showing that Mozilla and Netscape users are less
> > intelligent (on average) than Hotmail and Yahoo Mail users?
> 
> Perhaps Hotmail users are stupider

89 million users and counting. (Yahoo won't comment on how many users
they have.) Whether Mozilla is aiming for those who are more intelligent
or those who are less intelligent, there aren't many left.

>                                    for putting up with such a broken
> feature?

Ok, so the current behavior in Mozilla isn't because your usability
tests have shown that Hotmail's UI designers are wrong and the Mozilla
behavior is easier to use -- but because you think the alternative
behavior would be `broken'. Would you like to explain why?

>           Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  If you start with the
> assumption that return means paragraph, and not return,

That's a non-argument. That makes as much sense as if I said that you're
starting with the assumption that return means line break, and not return.

>                                                         then of course
> it will be impossible to justify Composer behavior.
> 
> We didn't start with that assumption, and our goal is not to be just
> like Hotmail.

No? How about Microsoft FrontPage, where Return starts a new paragraph
and Shift+Return starts a new line?

How about ClarisWorks, where Return starts a new paragraph and
Shift+Return starts a new line?

How about Microsoft Word, where Return starts a new paragraph and
Shift+Return starts a new line?

How about PageMaker, where Return starts a new paragraph and
Shift+Return starts a new line?

Are all these programs `broken'? Or is it just 4.x (and Seamonkey after
it) that is broken? Which do you think is more likely?

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla user interface QA
Mozilla UI decisions made within 48 hours, or the next one is free

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