"Simon P. Lucy" wrote:
At 15:13 08/01/2001 -0500, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:Look Simon I don't want to pick a fight with you. I like you, you give straight answers.
You can't I'm india rubber. :-)
I keep hearing this Montra about Plugins are broke on the Mac.
Its been repeated over and over, for over a Year. Be it Mozilla or netscape6 what's so d#$% hard about fixing the bug.
I don't know, all I was saying was that plugins aren't broken (ok scripting 4.x ones doesn't work but that's relatively minor), on the Windows platform.I've just done a query on Bugzilla for Macintosh platform with anything that has plugin in the description, 45 bugs come up with an open resolution, most of them either NEW or ASSIGNED. None of those bugs on the face of it seem to be saying that plugins don't work at all, more like specific failures with specific behaviour.
I queried on FIXED/WORKSFORME/INVALID to see if there's something there that would say yes it works and whichever version. That has a bunch of 4.x dependency bugs fixed, one of them relating to plugins living in plug-ins on the Mac for older browsers whereas Mozilla uses just plugins throughout, that's down as fixed and verified from October.
QuickTime is down as WORKSFORME though there is some doubt about frame positioning (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29206)
Flash has a number of bugs against it (as it did on every platform for different reasons, it is exceeding ugly), but they all seem to be FIXED or WORKSFORME.
Most everything I've seen was either fixed or disappeared off the radar during the beta run up to NS6. I did a query for sound on the Mac platform and all the bugs it returned came back with resolutions, either FIXED/WORKSFORME or INVALID. That's not to say I dispute what you have in front of you, I'm sure you have the faults you say you do.
So in that case I think the best thing you can do is to raise bugs, a major one with all your issues, and individual bugs for each separate plugin problem you have, make the major bug dependent on all of the individual bugs, that way it won't get closed out until all of them are resolved one way or another. Follow all the usual rubrick for reporting bugs give as much cogent information as you can. Whatever it is that you have those that worked on triage and on fixing the bugs don't have and if they aren't aware of it they can't fix it.
I also know that's a fair amount of work but it will be worthwhile, either someone will scratch their head and point at your missing doohickie or that you have to be left handed to do this or whatever and you'll get them working on your machine, or one by one they'll be knocked down and fixed for everyone that suffers the same problems.
Simon
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S. P. Lucy
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