On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 07:20:01 +0000, JTK wrote: <snip>
>> Much as I hate to provide you with ammunition JTK (more about that >> below), > > "Ammunition"? In order to "fight" who or what exactly? And why do you > "hate" to assist in that "fight" I have only taken an active interest in this newsgroup since my post of 30th December, but from what I have seen you to be antagonistic to this project - which looks like a engagement in a fight to me. I hate to assist because,on the basis of the posts I have read from you, your contributions are not made in a spirit of helpfulness. Whatever the frustrations that may have built up (and I know that they do), I cannot see the point in corresponding with the developers and users of free software in any other basis than one of friendly and constructive criticism. If you lose patience, walk away. If you still have patience, try to help. > <snip> > Exactly. And why do you think I posted my experience? So LaGgy could > call me names? > I accept that I may be doing you an injustice, because I have not read your posts dating from more than a week or so ago. I just have the strong impression that in the posts I have read your experience is deployed primarily as proof that your low regard for Moz and its developers is fully justified. >> For the record, I don't flip burgers and. as >> best I can recall, I last ate one in the early 1970's. > > Ok... what's that have to do with anything? > Again, on the basis of the posts I have read, you seem to treat anyone who is enthusiastic about Moz as low IQ teenager. I just wanted to point out that I am not a teenager. You are at liberty to form your own impressions about the IQ. >> I am way too old >> to be anyone's d00d. > > As am I. We seem to be in the extreme minority here. Maybe we are. I just don't know. I try not to let that matter. >> I don't like M$ (an abbreviation I picked up on >> other lists), > > And you do realize how silly and juvenile that is, right? Not to > mention just plain unimaginative. Well, I take that back a bit; it > *was* funny the first hundred-thousand times I read it. Now it's merely > tiresome. That is a reasonable view. >> but my dislike has nothing to do with the fact that they make profits - >> I am a capitalist, or that they are American - the US does not have a >> better friend overseas than me. > > Then what does your dislike stem from? Simple herd mentality? The "I > hate the king of the hill" effect? You neglect to mention that. Neither of those. In particular, I have no problem with good efficient kings of the hill. I make my living from them. > Five'll get you ten *I* dislike Microsoft a hell of a lot more than you > do. And not because I saw somebody write "M$" in a post once. I have > to deal with the innermost guts of their products on a daily basis, and > it's a horror you do not want to experience. It would not have to be > that way if Microsoft spent 10% more effort on stuff that mattered (oh > like, say, documentation) and 10% less time on fading menus and other > useless crap. I bow to no-one in the magnitude of my dislike. Your last sentence summaries most of my own reasons. <snip> > But I suppose "M$" is somehow preventing Mozilla's cache from working > properly on Linux. No, they aren't, are they? The fault there lies > squarely in AOL's lap, as does the failure of the entire Mozilla > project. I don't harbour any such conspiracy theories about M$'s conduct, and I don't blame them for any defects in open source projects. To tell the truth, I am also sceptical about the value of anti-trust legislation in general. I don't know enough about AOL to agree or disagree with the last part. From what I have seen however, the Moz project has not yet failed, and won't do so until the people who care about and understand it throw in the towel. Do you want them to? >> I do not, however, post >> venomous messages on M$ lists, > > But you somehow expect things to magically change? The non-squeaking > wheel gets no grease friend. > Well I don't post on those lists at all, because I have nothing to contribute, but if I did I would not see any point in being other than constructive. I would save the venom for emails to M$, or to anyone else who had taken my money and failed to perform. <snip> > > >> Anyway, I guess that's your privilege. >> >> > Actually it's my right. That's what the Constitution says anyway. Not > that anybody reads its dusty old pages anymore. > > No Sir, I was being accurate - it really is a privilege. If you want to know why, read one of the best pieces of work ever written by an American scholar, - Wesley Newcomb Hohfeld, "Fundamental Legal Conceptions as Applied in Judicial Reasoning" (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1919). There you will find the right/duty, privilege/no-right correlations carefully analysed. As a President (I think Wilson, but I may be wrong), once said, "This allows us to define freedom". Regards, Geoff
