On 03/10/2002 5:29 PM, Netscape Basher wrote: > Jay Garcia typed: >> On 03/10/2002 3:19 AM, Peter Lairo wrote: >> >>>Jay Garcia wrote: >>> >>>>In order to be classified as "Spyware", it would have to know your >>>>personal information to associate with the search criteria as well as >>>>demographics such as where you live possibly and/or other delimiting >>>>personal information. And since this "feature" cannot do that it cannot >>>>be classified as "Spyware". Every time you send email and/or post to a >>>>newsgroup, your IP address is readily available. >>> >>>Jay, that is such a weak argument! *Anytime* software sends info about >>>what i do without either me expressly telling it to do so (e.g., typing >>>a URL and hitting enter) or it expressly telling me, and without a >>>need-to-know (and AOhell definetely does *not* need-to-know what I am >>>searching for on Google), is *spyware* and sleazy practice, at best! >>> >>>You should not be defending this aspect of Netscape. It diminishes your >>>(currently high) standing in the online community. > > Jay has already demonstrated that he is more into politics than helping > people turn to Netscape. That question he answered last week when a > poster asked how to automatically set the response to the top of a > message (an option in Netscape) and Jay responds by shitting on the user > by saying they should never do that and refused to help with the simple > question. That alone made me lose total respect for Jay Garcia.
The reply was in "jest" just as the poster realized that after I emailed him about your vitriolic response. We had quite a laugh over it as a result. > > >>> >> >> >> Hold on, I'm not DEFENDING a thing, only offering/tendering an >> explanation based on many years of experience in my field of endeavor - >> Network Engineering and commercial web hosting. > > Just like his explaination that Netscape provides all the bandwith for > this newsgroup, which is totally false. I've NEVER said that. Please stop attempting to quote me when you know very well that I didn't say that or even intimate that. >> >> If Netscape were to spy on ME, Jay Garcia and send back information that >> would expressly identify ME along with other personal information then >> YES, I would consider that spyware and would immediately jump their >> case. ID by IP is not considered personal info as that is readily >> available by employing a very simple script on every form you submit, >> page you visit and so on ... > > So Jay, by your standard, name some spyware with the criteria you > mentioned. By your defintion, that would be almost zero. Just pay a visit to http://grc.com and let Steve Gibson tell you all about it. > Id by IP is very personal Jay, if you got a IP that doesn't change. > You are not having a good day are you? Oh really ??? Your IP is 24.88.0.196 .. Now, please tell us all in this group how revealing that is. > >> >> But, this is not the case here at all. There is no personal information >> linking YOU to the search criteria whatsoever. Therefore, not spyware. > > Of course that is a dishonest statement. > Jay again, name some spyware for us with your critiera of what spyware is. Ok, PROVE to us here in this group exactly what personal information is being transmitted. You can use any source you can find to support your allegation that personal info is being submitted. > >> >> I fun Firebox 1000 Hardware Firewalls on my servers. There is no way to >> prevent the forwarding of IP addresses but there is NO WAY to ID me >> personally or any of my users unless we deliberately make that info >> available. > > Are you saying there is no such thing as spyware Jay? Of course not. Again, see http://grc.com and see what Steve Gibson has to say about the subject. I've had many conversations with Steve and I consider him a valuable asset. > >> >> Look at it this way for example: >> >> You go to a movie where there are a 1/2 dozen movies playing at "The >> Palace" for instance. There is an usher standing in the foyer with a >> "clicker" counting how many folks go to which movie. In the final >> tabulation is your personal info submitted or just the "clicks" ?? >> > > Bad example Jay. How so ?? You're making statements but provide nothing to support them. > Name some spyware that gives out your personal information. > > You're making some serious allegations, none of which you can support. -- Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
