In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Lairo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

(any particular reason this message was in HTML instead of f=f or
normal plaintext?)

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Peter Lairo wrote: 
> > 
> > >     ISSUE A) 
> > >     When receiving plain text mail, or when copy/pasting text from 
> > >     one place to another, shouldn't soft returns be pasted as soft 
> > >     returns (thus adjusting the linewraps to the new window width) 
> > >     and hard returns be pasted as hard returns? This would be the
> > >     desired solution. 

Sounds like you want format=flowed, aka RFC 2646, which allows just
this.

(Although I'd like to say that unquoted text should /normally/ by
/default/ be softwrapped to a fixed number of characters in the window.

BTW -- in most decent mail/newsreader this isn't really that big of a
deal even without f=f (which isn't to say that f=f is useless, dealing
with quoted text automatically isn't really possible without it), as
they have an "unwrap" command which removes 

> > >     ISSUE B) 
> > >     I've also noticed that when pasting into a message, the text
> > >     is pasted as "preformatted" text and not as "body" text, as 
> > >     one would expect. 
> > > 
> > >     Paste should simply paste as plain text (body) unless the 
> > >     message one is pasting into AND the copied text are BOTH 
> > >     formatted. 
> > 
> >   Did you try a very recent nightly? 
> 
> yes, the most recent one that will run: 20010205 (the more recent ones
> all crash)

What do you mean by "preformatted" -- do you mean paragraph structure
(i.e. line endings) or do font/style information?

If it's the former then that is what it should do, if the later, then
I'd agree that was a bug.

> > >     QUESTION 1) 
> > >     Would it be possible to put soft returns into plain text? 

This is already done with messages that are f=f, for non-f=f messages,
it'd be possible to add an "unwrap" command, but you'd have to get
someone to do the work and get the UI approved.

File a RFE bug on it.

> > >     QUESTION 2) 
> > >     Is mozilla or netscape capable of suggesting / implementing
> > >     such a standard? (if not, who?) 

Already done -- format=flowed, RFC 2646, most messages from the current
version of Eudora should be f=f.

> > >     If either answer is yes, it should definetely be pursued as
> > >     top  priority and i will post a bug for it. This is still
> > >     THE *major*  drawback of all e-mail formatting issues.  
> > > 
> >   BTW: What Daniel talks about is not "normal plaintext", which I
> > referred to in the bug. 
> 
> what is "normal plaintext" then?

"Normal plaintext" is just that -- what people think of normally when
they say/hear "plaintext", Daniel was talking about format=flowed text
which /appears/ to be normal plaintext in programs that don't
understand f=f.

-- 
J.B. Moreno

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